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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:56 pm 
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dane wrote:
Your take for Round 1?

If we're lucky with form & injury, sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:12 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Teamboard updated!

My take:

FB: Jaksch Jamison Sheehan
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
CC: Gibbs Murphy Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Thomas
FF: Walker Casboult Menzel
RR: Kreuzer Cripps Judd

Int: Bell, Curnow, Everitt, Buckley

Depth: Carrazzo, White, Jones, Wood, McLean, Whiley, Armfield, Graham

Backups: Warnock, Robinson, Ellard, Watson, Lucas, Giles, Byrne, Johnson, Holman


Agree with this, particularly Walker as a livewire up forward. Yarran's position is a tricky one to pin down... he adds so much off half back. Also hoping Whiley and Jones will press for selection, which should have a positive impact on the work ethic of the rest of the team.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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The two half-forwards will be providing midfield run and passes into the 50 rather than act as deep targets. They'll do plenty to provide run through the middle.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Won't quote it again, coz I don't want to take too much space, but interesting to have 21 players in common with Jimmae's 22. The only difference being he has Sheehan and I have Jones. I think with Casboult being the second ruck it is important to play 3 tall forwards so Cas and Kreuz have some opportunities to rest without leaving us short handed. Typical in these best 22 exercises it is rare to have such a consensus on players though.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Won't quote it again, coz I don't want to take too much space, but interesting to have 21 players in common with Jimmae's 22. The only difference being he has Sheehan and I have Jones. I think with Casboult being the second ruck it is important to play 3 tall forwards so Cas and Kreuz have some opportunities to rest without leaving us short handed. Typical in these best 22 exercises it is rare to have such a consensus on players though.

I'd use Everitt, Casboult, Kreuzer, Henderson and then Jaksch if needed as a marking target.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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jimmae wrote:
The two half-forwards will be providing midfield run and passes into the 50 rather than act as deep targets. They'll do plenty to provide run through the middle.


Your 2 HF's Yarran and Thomas have plenty of pace and will do just as you say, along with Walker in that mix, as well a snagging a few themselves. I love it.

Really exciting team jimmae. I have my fingers crossed with Sheehan. If he is consistently as good as he showed this season, and takes another step up that releases speedy Buckley into the midfield as the outside runner we need....and with Yarran and Thomas (getiing over his ankle issue) there's a bit of speed ther...add walker in that mix.

Jones has to earn a spot in the forwardline as I expect Casboult to show improvement with his kicking and his engine in 2015. If we want 3 talls Jones is there, let alone depth if any tall is injured.

I like Everitt being available to fix a problem anywhere on the field...perhaps a mismatch.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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jimmae wrote:
Teamboard updated!

My take:

FB: Jaksch Jamison Sheehan
HB: Docherty Rowe Tuohy
CC: Gibbs Murphy Simpson
HF: Yarran Henderson Thomas
FF: Walker Casboult Menzel
RR: Kreuzer Cripps Judd

Int: Bell, Curnow, Everitt, Buckley

Depth: Carrazzo, White, Jones, Wood, McLean, Whiley, Armfield, Graham

Backups: Warnock, Robinson, Ellard, Watson, Lucas, Giles, Byrne, Johnson, Holman

I think we might go with another tall.
Maybe Jones in the FP and Walker on the wing and Buckley or Sheehan out.
I like Yarran in the front half. And Walker.
I could live with that team but I do like the three tall forwards myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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i think whiley is ahead of cripps on development, so expect he will be in best 22 initially. that said MM loves the seasoned big bodies so carrots is just as likely to start ahead of both for now.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:51 am 
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Dominator7 wrote:
i think whiley is ahead of cripps on development, so expect he will be in best 22 initially. that said MM loves the seasoned big bodies so carrots is just as likely to start ahead of both for now.


Very interesting Cripps cost us a first round draft pick, Whiley virtually nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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They couldn't tackle Cripps last year and he was barely fit to play a half of football. He is the very definition of a big body.

As for a 3rd tall when Walker and Menzel are lead targets, not sure why you'd want so little defensive pressure. Jones has talent but he's got to earn his spot over Henderson or Casboult. Everitt and Jaksch aren't always going to have defensive/midfield match ups either. Plus there's Kreuzer.

Just cutting into our run and spread at that point. We often didn't function well with Henderson, Waite and Casboult in the same forward line and had them taking turns charging way up the field as a marking target. Would rather have a runner doing that.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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[quote="jimmae"]They couldn't tackle Cripps last year and he was barely fit to play a half of football. He is the very definition of a big body.

As for a 3rd tall when Walker and Menzel are lead targets, not sure why you'd want so little defensive pressure. Jones has talent but he's got to earn his spot over Henderson or Casboult. Everitt and Jaksch aren't always going to have defensive/midfield match ups either. Plus there's Kreuzer.

Just cutting into our run and spread at that point. We often didn't function well with Henderson, Waite and Casboult in the same forward line and had them taking turns charging way up the field as a marking target. Would rather have a runner doing that.[/quote]

What's the difference? You still have 2 tall targets either way.

Personally I like the idea of Walker and Menzel as forwards, add Thomas to them and they are very very dangerous if they can get their running patterns and strategy sorted.
Then the next 3 can be 3 talls, but I'd like a defensive little man with serious closing speed like Garlett and Betts did to create "perceived pressure".

I dont think Walker Thomas and Menzel will all play together in the forwardline. I can see Thomas more in the midfield in 2015 just as he did when he got fit towards the end of last year.

Depth is good, but still wish we had a denagerous little man. I dont think Saad provides the sport of speed I'm looking for defensive reasons, let alone the need for that speed as a small forward.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:40 am 
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woof wrote:
Dominator7 wrote:
i think whiley is ahead of cripps on development, so expect he will be in best 22 initially. that said MM loves the seasoned big bodies so carrots is just as likely to start ahead of both for now.


Very interesting Cripps cost us a first round draft pick, Whiley virtually nothing.


Cost worth paying.

I hope Whiley ends up as good as Cripps. Cripps is huge, smart and gets the ball and feeds it out: The extractor.
Wahiley is a ball getter too, but different body type and player imo. Great if the both click and dominate their positions against the good midfields with good extractors like Swans, Hawks and Port.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:34 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
They couldn't tackle Cripps last year and he was barely fit to play a half of football. He is the very definition of a big body.

As for a 3rd tall when Walker and Menzel are lead targets, not sure why you'd want so little defensive pressure. Jones has talent but he's got to earn his spot over Henderson or Casboult. Everitt and Jaksch aren't always going to have defensive/midfield match ups either. Plus there's Kreuzer.

Just cutting into our run and spread at that point. We often didn't function well with Henderson, Waite and Casboult in the same forward line and had them taking turns charging way up the field as a marking target. Would rather have a runner doing that.


I wouldn't go the 3rd tall either. Not with Walker and Menzel there. Jones will get his run. Henda is always injured and has been forced to play injured in the past.

I would even be a little worried with that backline being a bit tall but time will tell with that and Jaksch needs a decent crack at it.


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 Post subject: Our best 22?
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woof wrote:
Dominator7 wrote:
i think whiley is ahead of cripps on development, so expect he will be in best 22 initially. that said MM loves the seasoned big bodies so carrots is just as likely to start ahead of both for now.


Very interesting Cripps cost us a first round draft pick, Whiley virtually nothing.


Why is it interesting? What are you implying?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Whiley being 3 years older than Cripps has nothing to do with being ahead in terms of development....


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 Post subject: Our best 22?
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I think Bell will need a big pre-season to cement a spot in the 22. Whiley looks to have more smarts IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I can see us using 3 talls at each end

Buckley Jamison Jacksch
Yarran Rowe Simpson
Thomas Judd Everitt
Walker Henderson Carrazzo
Menzel Casboult Jones

Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Docherty, Bell, Curnow, Whiley

Cripps, Pick 19 close

Tuohy has a lot of work to do IMO

Sheehan may surprise

White may be handy

The rest are injury replacement fodder

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I agree. While I agree we lose some run and pressure playing 3 talls forward and back, Malthouse has clearly shown a preference for playing with this structure. In fact, it's one of the reasons why we've started to learn to win at Etihad this year. It's a marking venue. (Perhaps it's also why we now struggle with the bigger venues like the MCG.)

Besides which, clubs don't trade in players on 3 year deals and then not give them first crack at a place in the senior side. Even if it's not in our short-term interest ... even if it means other players are unlucky ... I would have thought it's almost certain that Jaksch and Jones start out in the senior side (unless injury steps in).

We're a fair way off being a contender. MM is trying to build a long-term blueprint for what he thinks will help us compete. Not necessarily aiming at our most competitive starting 22.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:26 am 
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Andrejas Jammo Simpson

Sheehan Rowe Dockerty

Yarran Gibbs Curnow

Krueser Cripps Murphy

Thomas Hendo Menzel

Tex Jones Casboult

In: Carrots Judd Cripps Buckley SUB: Whiley

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