I'm tipping Thomas for our 2015 B & F.
He almost seems to have been forgotten about.
I've got a hunch with a full pre-season behind him he's set for a blinder.

Good point. There you have 17 reasons to overlook all of those players.

No one will ever know.

What's the point? We've got our list well sorted for 2015.

So far before preseason starts, we have had 3 players undergoing ops, and now only Giles missing the preseason.
Last year it was 25 odd. BIG difference.

I will not be surprised if our boys, this list, ends the season in the Top 4.
Im going to enjoy 2015 more than the last 2-3. Just know it.

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Friday is 1st List Lodgment day.
Is it possible to get the player numbers sorted out on the CFC website by the COB on Friday?
Is there any reason to delay this any longer?

It is a better balanced list lacking star Fire power to be top 4. Also 15 players that are virtually starting their careers. Enjoy the development. We are 2 seasons off a serious rise up the ladder

Carlton and the culture club

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/c ... 21qw9.html

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Good article.

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If only they had done a fan survey 19 years ago

Let's get that full back Sticks rates ...

And on it goes.

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Not a bad article, and sums it up quite well, even when it uses some of the tiresome cliches (such as "should've traded Kruezer for Judd").

I found this part most interesting



I agree with this, that we've traditionally shown zero creativity come trade-time and its hurt us. That said, I'm very pleased with the Jaksch/Whiley/#19 deal for #7 (all the Boekhorst rantings aside...hell for all we know Rogers might've picked him at #7 anyway!), as well as the Everitt and Docherty deals, so we are showing more lateral thinking in this area. But Niall's right that we also need to look at ways to improve our draft position. I'll be curious to see what we do next year, as its supposed to be a pretty busy FA period.

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#GUILTY

Dunno about Swan ... he loved landing the big fish as much as anyone.
It's been a constant source of frustration that we have never really put much effort into improving our draft position. It's no guarantee, of course, but it increases the chances.
Last year we successfully targeted players like Everitt and particularly Docherty ... but that was partly forced upon us because so many of our kids in that age bracket have been busts.
And the Fev trade fell into our lap ... we went for players first and the pick plus Hendo deal wasn't our doing.

Like what we're hearing about chasing up and comers rather than the top-priced big fish - especially now that Boyd has gone.
History will soon determine the merits of our decisions with pick 7 this year but I think most of us are comfortable with what the club has done.

There's nothing more exciting than watching gun kids emerge.

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Finally the media are getting an handle on what most in the industry and most supporters have known for years.

Our management, planning, strategies and recruitment are archaic and second rate. We think we know more than everyone else, ignore the correct pathways and allow people who are simply not good enough at their jobs to guide the club forward.

Again, this year it was the same. The whole recruiting and draft strategy doesn't make sense and is actually in reverse to what most other clubs do. Are we buidling a club for mid range or a Premiership?

Our draft strategy defies belief and any logic. I don't understand getting Jones, Tutt & Dick. Average players at best. How will they help a poor side. Most clubs get these players to fill a role when challenging for a Premiership, not when you are supposed to be rebuilding.

I have said it before but within the industry our recruiting and the people involved are a joke. Not one of them would get a job at another club.

MLG seems to be making the right noises but not much has changed so far. I hope things will because to be honest hope is all we've got. Our membership numbers and bottom line prove that. We are no longer a powerful club.

We may win a few more games next year but we are a long way from being a Premiership contender and for me that's what I want to see.

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I do enjoy reading your posts psych
The only part I might not agree with is the logic of our drafting.
It has logic (maybe not to us) and purpose.
You answer your own puzzlement in part of your last statement.

"I don't understand getting Jones, Tutt & Dick. Average players at best. How will they help a poor side. Most clubs get these players to fill a role when challenging for a Premiership, not when you are supposed to be rebuilding."

There are a lot of assumptions built into that statement. They can all be challenged. But as of now it is just personal opinion. I think we should wait before being so certain.

Jones - Waite
Tutt - Garlett
Dick - McLean

If you look at the whole season and look at the 3 that are going out I am pretty sure that we are not going to be worse off in terms of output.
In terms of character we won't miss Waite and Garlett and in terms of $$ I'd say the 3 coming in would be cheaper than the 3 going out.

One of the main reasons we haven't been able to improve our draft position in recent years has been the poor state of our list and lack of trade currency that our players have, (save for the recent Hampson trade for pick 30 odd which landed us Docherty).

We will need to make some bold player for draft pick trades in the future in order to keep rejuvenating out list.

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I think this is symptomatic of our list management issues also. We throw money and multi-year contracts at these guys, and when we finally decide to offload them they've either lost any trade value they might've once had, or they're locked into a contract that one of the parties would have to pay out. Our trading strategy is a reflection of our list management strategy, which is a reflection of our development, which is a reflection of our upper management etc. It's all one big snowball.

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#GUILTY

we've got snowie balls
we got great big snowie balls...

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

The early 2000s still cripples us even to this day. A bad list with too many veterans then smashed by drafting penalties left us with no room to move with trades for a number of years. All we had to deal was our draft picks to bring in the types of players that could change our culture for the better.

The article also conveniently omits the fact that Collingwood have traded out premiership players with currency which is why they are able to get first round picks in return. I'm not sure their strategy should be held up as the beacon because never in the history of the AFL has such a young premiership team been dismantled in such a short period of time. Time will tell if it leads to sustained success or just another succession of rebuilds.

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Rubbish article.
We tanked to draft top picks and failed miserably with our drafting not trading.
We embraced the draft (how many top 20 picks did we get again) but failed to nail the picks.
I will debate this until the cows come home. We did very little trading during that period, actually have done more trading during the last 2 years than the last 7.
Judd was a once off trade and journalists have built a case over it.

Huh?

We failed miserably by drafting Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer?

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

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