Malthouse contract discussion: EXTENSION DENIED!

camel · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 12:25 pm

club29 wrote:

People wouldn't hear a bad word about the players at the end of 2012...

Yeah, nah.

The players have always been mentally soft. Back then I put that at the fault of Ratts and hoped that Malthouse, if nothing else, would sort them out and give them more belief and a harder/stronger mental toughness.

That hasn't happened. They're still a pack of handbags.

Until we get some sort of monumental shake up at board level and a board/CEO/coach all pulling in the same clear and united direction our players have got no hope of overcoming their shortfalls.

jimmae · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 12:34 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

Thats going to happen.
When you pay out highly rated and well compensated assistant coaches, it runs the well dry. Richardson was credited with much of Ports improvement in 2012 and he has set a strong plan for the Saints. Lets not forget he was a contracted member of our coaching group.
It was Micks ego that got in the way of that relationship as well. Richardson structured Collingwoods development academy and received a lot of the credit for the improvement of their players.
That quickly signed the death knell for his tenure under Mick at the Pies. :lol:

Someone else getting the credit. God forbid.

So Malthouse invents a personal issue between Richardson and himself and the Carlton board are foolish enough to fall for it. Dollars walking out the door plus significant football IP.

So yes, we pay out Richardson and Riley, the senior coach wants the overwhelming majority of the coaching budget in his own pocket and we're left with the sheep who won't speak up.
Even Gavin Brown couldn't wait to get out the door and go somewhere he could make a meaningful contribution. I wonder why?

We had some highly rated assistant coaches and Mick didn't want them. And others didn't want to work with him.
You can't keep throwing good money away after bad. Mick is as responsible for our current coaching set up as anyone.

To be fair BV, if we'd kept Richardson for much longer he'd almost be getting paid in the same bracket as an entry level senior coach, which is silly money for an assistant, especially under current AFL rules.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 15064

cimm1979 wrote:

King Kenny wrote:

Appears Malthouse isn't on the same page as anyone:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-23/r ... medium=RSS

Bryce Gibbs just said the same.

No toll.

Mick eh?

What a shit bloke.

I heard Gibbs on radio too.
It appears the players and MM are not on the same page on this.

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

Be nice if the club were asked about whether anything resembling a process will take place in respect of his replacement..

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23931

Suppose someone does a perfect powerpoint presentation.
how does that ensure anything?
how do you measure someone's people management skills and integrity?
the due process may or may not result in a great coach.
is it really any better than choosing someone with a track record you can look in to?
(not for agin' either way tbh.)

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

If we are selecting a coach based on PowerPoint, then I'm in.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23931

King Kenny wrote:

If we are selecting a coach based on PowerPoint, then I'm in.

WOW · **Joined:** Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:17 pm **Posts:** 2079

bluegirl72 wrote:

Suppose someone does a perfect powerpoint presentation.
how does that ensure anything?
how do you measure someone's people management skills and integrity?
the due process may or may not result in a great coach.
is it really any better than choosing someone with a track record you can look in to?
(not for agin' either way tbh.)

going through a robust process should improve your chances of finding the right coach

that is something this club desperately needs

although, it doesn't guarantee that you have found the right coach

Effes · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 1:00 pm

bluegirl72 wrote:

Suppose someone does a perfect powerpoint presentation.
how does that ensure anything?
how do you measure someone's people management skills and integrity?
the due process may or may not result in a great coach.
is it really any better than choosing someone with a track record you can look in to?
(not for agin' either way tbh.)

If you go for someone with a track record you'd expect to be paying them more? Then that means fewer $$$ to attract quality assistants.

Also, if the untried assistant coach doesn't work out then paying out the contract isn't as big an issue?

jimmae · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 1:09 pm

bluegirl72 wrote:

Suppose someone does a perfect powerpoint presentation.
how does that ensure anything?
how do you measure someone's people management skills and integrity?
the due process may or may not result in a great coach.
is it really any better than choosing someone with a track record you can look in to?
(not for agin' either way tbh.)

If it's little more than jargon and empty rhetoric then the PP presentation is worthless.

If they have a sense of legitimate plans they wish to partial unveil and talk about individual cases of players, that's a coaching philosophy you can hear about and get behind, provided it draws upon some tactical theories that fit the talent on the playing list long-term and the current conditions of elite sport and the AFL.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23931

fair points guys.
I expect they'd look into it properly.
As a supporter, I know the gamestyle I enjoy watching, and the way I'd like our club to play.
However, I have no clue what the club wants, or if it is even a factor.
I would never have gone for a coach who likes his team to play the way Malty has.
However, I would have put up with Roosy's ultra defensive game for awhile,
if it meant the team improved overall.
That's because I have faith in him as a man manager.
Surely an incredibly difficult decision to come to!
Especially when we don't know who we are as a club anymore, and those within pull in different directions.

what a freaking mess!!!!!!!

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

Carlton's Cameron Wood labels criticisim of Mick Malthouse 'rude and disgusting'

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/c ... 523-gh7xzq

Drewgirl · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm **Posts:** 4777

Who in the club or outside of the club is going to stand up and do something? Everyone is pointing fingers, all talk, and waiting. McClure hit the nail on the head with his assessments of the club.

Why wait, act now?

I received an email from Trigg this week and was assured we would get all get detailed info on our concerns by the end of the week.

Let's see...... We can't believe what they say anyway, we need action..

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

Anything less than a full board spill is inadequate.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Rexy wrote:

Anything less than a full board spill is inadequate.

You can spill a board, but what is the outcome? Another Collins/Smorgan era?

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

King Kenny wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Anything less than a full board spill is inadequate.

You can spill a board, but what is the outcome? Another Collins/Smorgan era?

In order to improve you must change...

The Rhino · **Joined:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:20 pm **Posts:** 6923

bluegirl72 wrote:

Suppose someone does a perfect powerpoint presentation.
how does that ensure anything?
how do you measure someone's people management skills and integrity?
the due process may or may not result in a great coach.
is it really any better than choosing someone with a track record you can look in to?
(not for agin' either way tbh.)

Symbolic of the bigger picture. Whether the coach is great, good, ordinary or disgraceful is irrelevant to getting the right process, which we never do.

I don't want to see the replacement be simply who is at the behest of the bloke with the biggest cheque book and no alternatives seriously looked at.

We think we're too good to have an untried coach. It's ridiculous.

Drewgirl · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm **Posts:** 4777

Rhino, you are right, we are so old school, that we won't have the guts to try and find the best untried coach. Still with the mentality we need to go and buy an older, previously successful coach.

Ratten was the exception, but he hardly went through a proper process anyway.

You watch us go for one of the current AFL coaches, Thompson or Worsfold and try and use the cheque book again.

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Rexy wrote:

King Kenny wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Anything less than a full board spill is inadequate.

You can spill a board, but what is the outcome? Another Collins/Smorgan era?

In order to improve you must change...

Only if change is for the better. Who is the alternative? What are they going to do better?

My thought is a board spill would be disastrous without any perspective of the alternative.

Change is no good if the root cause is not addressed with the change.

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

King Kenny wrote:

Rexy wrote:

King Kenny wrote:

Rexy wrote:

Anything less than a full board spill is inadequate.

You can spill a board, but what is the outcome? Another Collins/Smorgan era?

In order to improve you must change...

Only if change is for the better. Who is the alternative? What are they going to do better?

My thought is a board spill would be disastrous without any perspective of the alternative.

Change is no good if the root cause is not addressed with the change.

I could pick a board of 8 TCers who'd show up the current board as hacks.

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