Mythbusters - Carlton Style

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

Shakin77 wrote:

It's Campos fault. All those cheap short kicks across half-back.

Wrong!!!

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/tea ... E8&tid=103

2005 Carlton Long Kicks Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)

1 Scott Camporeale 5.9
2 Heath Scotland 4.7
3 Nick Stevens 4.7
4 Matthew Lappin 4.7
5 Ryan Houlihan 4.6
6 Brendon Fevola 4.6
7 Chris Bryan 4.4
8 Andrew Carrazzo 4.2
9 Lance Whitnall 4.2
10 Jarrad Waite 4.1

Chitty's Finger · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:33 am

BlueWorld wrote:

Shakin77 wrote:

It's Campos fault. All those cheap short kicks across half-back.

Wrong!!!

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/tea ... E8&tid=103

2005 Carlton Long Kicks Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)

1 Scott Camporeale 5.9
2 Heath Scotland 4.7
3 Nick Stevens 4.7
4 Matthew Lappin 4.7
5 Ryan Houlihan 4.6
6 Brendon Fevola 4.6
7 Chris Bryan 4.4
8 Andrew Carrazzo 4.2
9 Lance Whitnall 4.2
10 Jarrad Waite 4.1

Good stat. I wonder if Chris Bryan's average kicks equals his average long kicks? Can he actually kick short passes or do they all go 40metres?

Given Campo's kick count was so high in 2005 though, wouldnt his short kicks stat still be high?

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:43 am

but if our long kicks are decreasing then Pagan is not wanting them to bomb it except that when we flood players look up and see sweet F all and panic - the bomb ensues.

It really is about 3 attributes.

Pace

Skill

Discipline.

Okay there are heaps more but I like those 3.

We lack all three.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18309

Dont be baffled by the bullshit Danny. :-D

Since Pagan took over 3 years ago, the trend is that Carlton is the longest kicking side in the AFL.

(Never believe a man with lots of graphs :wink:

)

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:56 am

so we are not decreasing at as fast a rate
or
we flood too often and find ourselves in the position where we bomb to often
or
we have too many players who make poor decisions/ lack the skill
or
we are the next trend setter

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

Quote:

Given Campo's kick count was so high in 2005 though, wouldnt his short kicks stat still be high?

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/tea ... G2&tid=103

Total kicks 329
Long kicks 123 (37.4%)

They don't do short kicks but I assume the remaining 62% were short.

% long kicks/ total kicks:

Stevens 36.6%
Lappin 42.9%
Whitnall 39.5%
Scotland 44.1%
Fev 54%
Waite 46.7%
Carrazzo 42.6%
Houla 37%
Bryan 64.9%
Kouta 33.3%

BlueMark · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:13 am

dannyboy wrote:

so we are not decreasing at as fast a rate
or
we flood too often and find ourselves in the position where we bomb to often
or
we have too many players who make poor decisions/ lack the skill
or
we are the next trend setter

or we are just crap.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:16 am

which brings us back to list versus coach

or a combo thereof

and whether we are stilkl suffering pre this admin

or is it post this new admin.

its like watching a puppy dog with a bushy tail having fun isn't it

BlueMark · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:18 am

Egg? Chicken? or Chicken, Egg ? Results the same.... we are crap.

Shakin77 · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:44 am

BlueWorld wrote:

Shakin77 wrote:

It's Campos fault. All those cheap short kicks across half-back.

Wrong!!!

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/tea ... E8&tid=103

2005 Carlton Long Kicks Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)

1 Scott Camporeale 5.9
2 Heath Scotland 4.7
3 Nick Stevens 4.7
4 Matthew Lappin 4.7
5 Ryan Houlihan 4.6
6 Brendon Fevola 4.6
7 Chris Bryan 4.4
8 Andrew Carrazzo 4.2
9 Lance Whitnall 4.2
10 Jarrad Waite 4.1

Sorry BlueWorld I thought that the Razz (

) emoticon was closest thing to a tongue in check emoticon.

(A quick look at my profile and you will see that I have always defended Campo and his role)

Should have used the rolleyes. But I'm pretty sure that Synbad has the rights to that one locked up? :lol:

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13698

BlueMark wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

so we are not decreasing at as fast a rate
or
we flood too often and find ourselves in the position where we bomb to often
or
we have too many players who make poor decisions/ lack the skill
or
we are the next trend setter

or we are just crap.

Hit. Nail. Head.

Chitty's Finger · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:57 pm

bluechucky wrote:

BlueMark wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

so we are not decreasing at as fast a rate
or
we flood too often and find ourselves in the position where we bomb to often
or
we have too many players who make poor decisions/ lack the skill
or
we are the next trend setter

or we are just crap.

Hit. Nail. Head.

So that satisfies you does it? If the simple answer is that 'we are just crap' as a generalistic response it implies that every one and every thing about the club is just crap. Kouta is crap. Fevola is crap. bentick is crap. Acceptance of such a simple line may work in defusing the laughter at us when Collingwood fans are around but how does that allow you to work through what we do have?

I agree with Jarusa who posted about how we may have our forward line. Our forward line is NOT crap. Waite, Fisher, Fevola, Betts are anti-crap. Our midfield and defence are not so clear - we've got some anti-crap players in there somewhere I am sure and others may agree.

Its pre-season and im sure you have time to try and work out where we arent crap, and as a result probably work out where we are crap.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:22 pm

so evry post onthis forum should read

we are crap

hey this is going to get real stimulating

tommi · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:29 pm

Dee Boy...........

gotoyourroom.............!

kindest regards tommi

alllllways stimulating..........!

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

Shakin77 wrote:

BlueWorld wrote:

Shakin77 wrote:

It's Campos fault. All those cheap short kicks across half-back.

Wrong!!!

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/tea ... E8&tid=103

2005 Carlton Long Kicks Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)

1 Scott Camporeale 5.9
2 Heath Scotland 4.7
3 Nick Stevens 4.7
4 Matthew Lappin 4.7
5 Ryan Houlihan 4.6
6 Brendon Fevola 4.6
7 Chris Bryan 4.4
8 Andrew Carrazzo 4.2
9 Lance Whitnall 4.2
10 Jarrad Waite 4.1

Sorry BlueWorld I thought that the Razz (

) emoticon was closest thing to a tongue in check emoticon.

(A quick look at my profile and you will see that I have always defended Campo and his role)

Should have used the rolleyes. But I'm pretty sure that Synbad has the rights to that one locked up? :lol:

OK so you were right!!!

BlueMark · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:55 pm

Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:

bluechucky wrote:

BlueMark wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

so we are not decreasing at as fast a rate
or
we flood too often and find ourselves in the position where we bomb to often
or
we have too many players who make poor decisions/ lack the skill
or
we are the next trend setter

or we are just crap.

Hit. Nail. Head.

So that satisfies you does it? If the simple answer is that 'we are just crap' as a generalistic response it implies that every one and every thing about the club is just crap. Kouta is crap. Fevola is crap. bentick is crap. Acceptance of such a simple line may work in defusing the laughter at us when Collingwood fans are around but how does that allow you to work through what we do have?

I agree with Jarusa who posted about how we may have our forward line. Our forward line is NOT crap. Waite, Fisher, Fevola, Betts are anti-crap. Our midfield and defence are not so clear - we've got some anti-crap players in there somewhere I am sure and others may agree.

Its pre-season and im sure you have time to try and work out where we arent crap, and as a result probably work out where we are crap.

Dunno Wonderkid, even Synners reckons we are crap. Anyways if you troll back through the history of the site I think you will find I have been one of the biggest defenders of the team. But then again some think anything I write is crap. So I guess crap is crap, no matter how you look at it.

Headplant · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:57 pm

BlueMark wrote:

But then again some think anything I write is crap. .

That's crap.

Chitty's Finger · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:58 pm

Headplant wrote:

BlueMark wrote:

But then again some think anything I write is crap. .

That's crap.

Stop throwing crap at his crap

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:13 pm

oh crap!

(slams door on way out)

camel · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:18 pm

Beano wrote:

there was a very famous quote from Benjamin Desraeli, if there are any historians amongst you philistines :wink:

Most people attribute the quote to Mark Twain, indeed I only learnt recently that it was Desraeli that said it first.

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