What?

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Don't remember doc plastering that across the site Effes?

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dane's trolling again

I must have missed it. Bloody hell.

How many nominated rookies can we have? What if there are other rookies that develop as well eg fields. If the 2 irish are our nominated rookies what happens to fields or wood etc.

As far as i know, Giles does not have an adverse medical opinion in his foot. So why are we delisting him as in your original post?

Carrots is still playing reasonable footy. He is fit and getting plenty of clearances. His experience could be invaluable for our younger mids. Cripps BB ETC.

I wouldn't offer anything for him. FA signing and free pickup otherwise why bother? He could potentially be out for 12-18 months.

I agree with the "Carlisle is overrated" arguments, but if they're found guilty of a doping violation but given minor bans (bit of a contradictory argument, I know), I'd say there is cause for them to be released from their contracts (basically they become unrestricted free agents).

Wouldn't waste the cap space on him though.
Unless there's a straight swap for Liam Jones; help the Bombers field a 22 next year, ya'know.

You might need to re-read my original post.

Wood goes to primary list. Byrne, Sheehan & Fields would fight for the two nominated rookie spots at the start of the season, we can nominate a third after round 11. And we can upgrade more at any time if there's LTI.

I'm not saying we should cut Giles now. I'm saying if he can't get back on the park soon because of injury then he may well get delisted or moved to rookie list. Unless he gets a few VFL games in before the end of 2015, by the start of next season it will be nearly 2 years since he played a game at any level. It's hard enough for an established player to come back from that, let alone a developing young player who will need 2-3 full preseasons to play AFL consistently.

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I don't agree with Carlisle being over rated. I think he is an AA key defender.

Henderson is in a similar position... but that's another story.

Just to clarify, Carlisle is not a free agent. He is only 22. Does anyone really believe Ess players will serve any bans? I highly doubt it.

Get him! Give away as many second round plus picks as you want in this weak draft and bring in quality young (23 or younger) talent.

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Koperek.

They changed the rookie rules in the last CBA, and now any rookie can have up to 3 seasons on the rookie list. Additionally, Sheehan isn't Category B because you're only allowed one Irish import under Cat B per year. With that said, Byrne surely must be elevated so that at least one spot is available for Johnson, Fields, Walsh and Gowers to compete for it if we retain them all.

I'm not sure we should even keep Wood on the list given some of the state league talent out there (for senior ruckman, basically anywhere but the WAFL). Yes, he has clean hands and works his arse off but he gets worked over by ever other starting ruckman in the league and is poor in front of goal. Might as well get a guy who has something else to his game, even if he's a shorter ruck or less AFL ready now, back Kreuzer in and bring in a young guy. I know we have the American guy we're looking at but he'll be an 18 month prospect if at all.

I also think Dick has more potential than Tutt or Jones at this stage.


It took a while for this to sink in for people with Henderson, perhaps because of his age vs. years spent at the club, so I apologise for this but:

CARLISLE IS NOT A FREE AGENT

Now that we've covered that, he can only be traded for, or picked up in one of the drafts, probably the PSD.

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Is this the same guy that along with hurley , were the perfect swing man pair a few years back? FFS . He is 24 ish and entering him prime, and apparently available. And we are in the box seat to get him in the PSD. And he is exactly the type of player we need. 198 cm defender that can go forward.
If we could grab one of the two key forwards in the draft, then we have solved seemingly our biggest list problem.

The other thing to consider when discarding people who have contracts until 2016 is what kind of talent we anticipate scooping up at the bottom of the draft (assuming we don't suddenly land 7 top 40 picks), and whether we should persist with them until the end of 2017. For that reason I think Jones, Dick and Whiley will be retained (unless traded).

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29 different attributes,
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20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Jimmae, I doubt we'll keep all three of Johnson, Walsh & Gowers.

Wood is getting the job done at AFL level (not a world beater, but goes OK). Surely that puts him ahead of any state league player?

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I'm working under the premise of dispensing with Wood and elevating Sheehan and Byrne, though Sheehan might need to sit on the rookie list for another year to prove his OP is OK.


Given that North plucked Ben Brown in the ND the same year we plucked Wood I'm not so sure.

The lead rucks in the WAFL are undersized, but otherwise there's some potential floating around. Sure they're not a 20 year old athletic type like Brown, but there's enough to move past Wood, who clearly hasn't kicked on from the uptick in his performance that occurred outside the AFL system. With Kreuzer back, I'd rather get someone who has more to the other aspects of his game than Wood even if it costs us a little in the ruck, because Wood is playing at his maximum right now. There's also a bunch of blokes on AFL lists who might be secured for a lowly pick (see: Adelaide's trade with Hawthorn last year for Lowden & Cheney).

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

That's a valid point, particularly - as I said earlier - when it's said to be a shallow draft.

All things being equal though, I would prefer to take the punt on what we can get late in the draft. But I accept that with contract payouts etc, it's probable we'll be stuck with a few next year who aren't going to take us anywhere....

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While I'm sure the rest are manageable, I think Jones would incur about 350k on next year's cap if we cut him because he's contracted until 2017.

Maybe Brisbane will be desperate enough to shuffle down a spot in the second and third rounds (assuming they're 18th and we're 16th/17th).

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I don't think trading Jones is an option because no club would touch him, unless we agreed to pay 90% of his salary. Even then, I doubt we'd get any takers.

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I thought there was a rule inserted after the Veale deal (that sent Rawlings to the Dogs) whereby a trade had to provide a demonstrable improvement in draft selection or incoming player personnel in order to be signed off on.

Any deal like you're suggesting would surely be scrutinised and rejected, if not penalised.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Cameron giles seems like he is set to resume.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-20/s ... west-point

He'd be on 190k base at most, so that seems steep.

*looks at post above his*

And that's why we don't copy-paste!

Was meaning to ask yesterday what his progress was like given we're hitting mid-July without any updated. GREAT NEWS!

EDIT: That article is from June, so no news.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Don't get me wrong, he would go a long way to helping our KP woes, but for a player with drug sanctions having over them, I wouldn't give up a first round draft pick. Especially as ours will be pick 3 or 4.....and that is what Essendon* will ask for, if not more. I'd be hesitant to even offer a 2nd round pick really - just due to the impending sanctions.

Psd great! Absolutely, but wouldn't deal in a trade with the bombers, they are notorious for overrating their players. They will also take a hard line to avoid a mass walkout.