You simply cannot substantiate any of the above in terms of point 1-3

There ar emany many reasons why someone wont kick on including fitness, maturity, relationship to coach, relationship to other players, being played out of position, being played for limited periods of time, not being played, personal issues. The list goes on and on and on and on. To try to summarise it in 3 is just not good enough, like you say some of these players are. Plus there is a combination of all of these reasons.

No, there is one simple reason why they haven't kicked on, they just should not have been drafted in the first place. There are a number of them who were thought to be full of potential but this was just a furphy. We have gone for speculative picks at times hoping that they come good when the chances were very slim overall. Identifying the wrong option has been our forte in the past.

Better quality research into the player's mental capacity, will to succeed, general football ability, body development potential & genuine upside overall may see us imporve our hit rate at the draft.

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Which ones in particular Shiek. While you are at it can you supply a few of the names of players you would have picked instead and why. Should make for interesting discussion........again. Can't ever have tooooo much discussion about past picks.

By the way who should we pick this year at 1, 4, 20 and 36. Get it on record now......just for future reference. Actually I'll make it easy for you. Tell me which players picked inside 25 will play 100 games.

I know you will say you don't have the information you need and you are not the one being paid to make the calls but have a crack at it anyway......just to humor me and many others here on TC.

Regards Cazzesman

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Good one Cazzesman.

will look forward to TheSheik's non-response!

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Get out of his arse 'Mr. $2 shop', I'll happily give you a response, meanwhile, you go create a graph or colour-in your McDonalds book.

First of all, let me further explain, I'm not talking about the guys picked up immediately last year or the year before, I'm confident two out of Blackwell, Hartlett. Walker & Russell will become 200 game players for us. What I'm looking at is those who should be performing infinitely better than they have given the amount of time they have been in the system. And this also applies to some of the trade deals.

Davies - way too erratic & prone to brainsnaps
Sporn - to become our CHB and taken at pick #10
Wiggins - he's a trier admittedly but has he actually improved at all ??
Livingston - I reckon this was a bummer though, I thought he was a good pick but just was grabbed way too high
DeLuca - will he ever take a one grab mark ??
Prendergast - great tank of petrol but is he really going to make it ??
Longmuir - once a dud always a dud
McGrath - second stringer at best
Bannister - flash in the pan
Chambers - will be a champ for the Ants

Apart from the Chambers, Longmuir & McGrath, those guys on that list are still considered 'young' but have been in the system for around 4-5 years but are not going to be the future of our football club.

We have been lucky with some solid pick-ups at cheap cost with Simpson & Fisher but late picks like that have saved our arse way from complete embarrassment way too often.

I could go back through the drafts and pick out the obvious names that stand out after we have drafted those bozos but that's too easy with the value of hindsight and a no-brainer. We didn't have the infrastructure in place then and still don't (even though it appears that the club is about to make the necessary changes) to identify the better credentialled players. This is the intent of my previous post, we should have done heaps better than we have over the past 4-5 years, if we had of, we would be much further down the track in the rebuilding stage.

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None of them !!

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Well if it's humour you are after Yoda, then why don't you put your nuts on the line and tell me ?? You're the avid TAC games watcher, you spend hours compiling information about all of the players. Why don't you give us your expert opinion instead of me plucking it out of my arse ?? You've got the formguide, the pages & pages of notes you have made on every player who has done anything anywhere ??

Go on, dazzle us with an informed opinion after all of this indepth research ??

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So what's the go on here?

Do you need to have "inside" contact to be able to post?

Or simply live in Melbourne?

Or just be a Carlton fan?

I'm confused as to what the posting parameters are.



No matter what...no-one's gonna stop me!!!

You love stirring that pot don't you Verbs

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Depends what's in the pot.

Great non-answer Captain Happypants!

Deflectabot lives!!

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And your post is ....... ?? No wonder you are up to 4300+ posts , no content, just your standard emoticons anser "$2 shop", it's roolly roolly good.

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You took half a page to say to say that we've made recruiting errors over the past few years? Deerrrrr?

It is because of these errors in drafting that Blackwell, Hartlett, Walker & Russell are now under immense pressure to perform. We cannot afford to have any more blowouts in regards to players not making it. If those four don't cut it, then we are in more shit than a Werribee duck.

If guys like Sporn and Wiggins were actually up to the task, then we wouldn't be wanting to fast track the development of those four. We have also been waiting for a while to see Simpson blossom too, thankfully he was finally given some ground time to show that he has what it takes.

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Sheik....if you read my update of the "Collo"thread today; it may make you feel better.

Also ; the Herald Sun (no URL yet) goes a bit further and says Collo gives "A promise to use picks 1, 4, 20 and 26 for youth in the November 26 National Draft; a change to the recycling policies of Coach Denis Pagan of the last three seasons.

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Do I need to keep reminding everyone to cut out the personal attacks?

Ask a question, answer a question, leave the rest of it with your ego's at the front door please.

I need to stay away from Werribee.....

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I did read the info and it's the best thing I've read in ages, any restructuring or upgrading of our recruitment department is long overdue.

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Do you remind your husband of this during your dinner conversations ?

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