He can also play both ends of the ground serviceably.

I like Army.
Another year watching him zip around and tackle well is fine by me
Only thing is, get him to ALWAYS pass the ball instead of shoot for goal.
Only exception if no one else there or he is 2 meters or less out.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

I say he shouldn't be part of the conversation bec of his age profile.
That is just me, I am only concerned with the future now and he is not a part of it LT.

Happy to have him in the team the next couple years bec we do need experience and he is serviceable as a defensive forward who can hurt with his speed and tackling pressure etc.

But when I think of Carlton I think of the future, the new wave, and he isnt part of it

Am a bit tired of hearing how player x isn't going to be part of our next premiership and therefore should be dropped from the list...

Where are people expecting that this entitlement to just get to premiership status come from?

Before even getting into serious finals contention, there is a mountain of effort required in this team to transform the playing group's attitude, culture, cohesion, playing ability and so on.

Even if you call the Armfields or Whites in the team fringe or depth players, I don't think you can afford to lose their maturity and contribution over the next couple of years even if they aren't the ones holding up a cup at the end of it..

Now come on.

That's just far too rational for here....please take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you are on this site.

Stevie j, stokes...?

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hands up if you're a sycophant!

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-0 ... -on-career

Thanks for the hard work, David.

Just let armfield and kreuzer go as free agents then we will have picks 2,3 & 4 in the draft.

That's how it works, right?

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Congratulations CK95

I wouldn't be averse to Stevie J for a year.
We still need some exp in the side, and who knows it may be really beneficial for other young Fwds (Menz) to have him in the side

waiting for the vitriol

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I see you watching me watching you.

What if he is the extravert who gels the team together?
There's a spot for extraverts on the list especially in this team.
It takes all types to create a great team, fringe/ depth players included.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Fair points but we can only keep so many. Murphy, Gibbs, Kruezer, Curnow, Jamison, Buckley, Docherty, Buckley, Simpson, Graham, Tuohy, Cripps, Sheehan, Byrne, Boekhurst, Rowe, Casboult are the players that will be the core and leaders of the next group coming through as they develop. We may still keep Yarran, Menzel & Bell. Some will drop away over the next 2 years.

That's possibly 20 of a list of 38. In a rebuild that's still a lot of players we are keeping.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

No more retirement packages please.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

We wont be going anywhere near Stevie J or Stokes.
Have enough experienced heads around like Murph, Gibbs, Jamo, Walker and Simmo to help the kids out over the next few years.

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

Howe out of contract. If he fell through to PSD and we got him for nothing it would be a nice bit of revenge for Garlett....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-04/d ... ade-market

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Excellent post

Armfield is 7 months older than Murph who will also not be part of our flag. So he goes as well

Army no where near as good

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Indeed.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

the alchemy of a champion team.
tricky to balance
but it can be done.
and without compounding chemists!

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Agreed. But we're talking about rebuild & our age profile suggests we are pushing Top 4 & a flag.

All players aged 27+ should not be on our list irrespective of talent.

Gibbs & Kreuzer should go as well.

I don't buy the "he won't be part of our next flag" arguement. Does anyone know when our
next flag will be, do we have a date? Did the hawks make a bad choice keeping richie vandenburg on their list when he wouldn't be part of their next flag? We need to build for a flag so need to have some expereince, toughness etc. if you sack every guy over 26 do you improve as a team or keep getting flogged. We haven't won a flag for 20 years, should we have sacked everyone then and replaced them with our little league. If jones stays on the list how could army get sacked? And how deep is the current draft? What's our record like beyond about pick 15?