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dadadadada
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:40 pm 
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Am a bit tired of hearing how player x isn't going to be part of our next premiership and therefore should be dropped from the list...

Where are people expecting that this entitlement to just get to premiership status come from?

Before even getting into serious finals contention, there is a mountain of effort required in this team to transform the playing group's attitude, culture, cohesion, playing ability and so on.

Even if you call the Armfields or Whites in the team fringe or depth players, I don't think you can afford to lose their maturity and contribution over the next couple of years even if they aren't the ones holding up a cup at the end of it..


Good point you raise here. Would a Matthew Hogg be any better than Armfield ? There are roles for various types. Armfield and White are the least of our problems.

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White is like Manton, Army is Hogg. So that's 2 covered.
Cripps is Diesel.
Docherty is vet.
Mmm still a lot of holes.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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dadadadada wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
Am a bit tired of hearing how player x isn't going to be part of our next premiership and therefore should be dropped from the list...

Where are people expecting that this entitlement to just get to premiership status come from?

Before even getting into serious finals contention, there is a mountain of effort required in this team to transform the playing group's attitude, culture, cohesion, playing ability and so on.

Even if you call the Armfields or Whites in the team fringe or depth players, I don't think you can afford to lose their maturity and contribution over the next couple of years even if they aren't the ones holding up a cup at the end of it..


Good point you raise here. Would a Matthew Hogg be any better than Armfield ? There are roles for various types. Armfield and White are the least of our problems.


You think Armfield will be in our next premiership side?
Simple Qn...
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Paddycripps wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
Am a bit tired of hearing how player x isn't going to be part of our next premiership and therefore should be dropped from the list...

Where are people expecting that this entitlement to just get to premiership status come from?

Before even getting into serious finals contention, there is a mountain of effort required in this team to transform the playing group's attitude, culture, cohesion, playing ability and so on.

Even if you call the Armfields or Whites in the team fringe or depth players, I don't think you can afford to lose their maturity and contribution over the next couple of years even if they aren't the ones holding up a cup at the end of it..


Good point you raise here. Would a Matthew Hogg be any better than Armfield ? There are roles for various types. Armfield and White are the least of our problems.


You think Armfield will be in our next premiership side?
Simple Qn...



Again with the "next premiership side".
I honestly don't think any current player will see a premiership for Carlton, so going by that logic we should trade everyone.

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Now that we have first pick.....
Trade bell to brisbane and take redden, straight swap. On the understanding that we let schache go through to brisbane.
Weitering with pick 1
Kreuzer walks to pick up his money. We take francis with our pick 2
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Paddycripps wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
Am a bit tired of hearing how player x isn't going to be part of our next premiership and therefore should be dropped from the list...

Where are people expecting that this entitlement to just get to premiership status come from?

Before even getting into serious finals contention, there is a mountain of effort required in this team to transform the playing group's attitude, culture, cohesion, playing ability and so on.

Even if you call the Armfields or Whites in the team fringe or depth players, I don't think you can afford to lose their maturity and contribution over the next couple of years even if they aren't the ones holding up a cup at the end of it..


Good point you raise here. Would a Matthew Hogg be any better than Armfield ? There are roles for various types. Armfield and White are the least of our problems.


You think Armfield will be in our next premiership side?
Simple Qn...


Can you tell us our next premiership side?

Is Cripps in it?

If not, we should probably trade him too.

:garthp: :garthp: :garthp:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Blue Monday wrote:
Am a bit tired of hearing how player x isn't going to be part of our next premiership and therefore should be dropped from the list...

Where are people expecting that this entitlement to just get to premiership status come from?

Before even getting into serious finals contention, there is a mountain of effort required in this team to transform the playing group's attitude, culture, cohesion, playing ability and so on.

Even if you call the Armfields or Whites in the team fringe or depth players, I don't think you can afford to lose their maturity and contribution over the next couple of years even if they aren't the ones holding up a cup at the end of it..


Good point you raise here. Would a Matthew Hogg be any better than Armfield ? There are roles for various types. Armfield and White are the least of our problems.


You think Armfield will be in our next premiership side?
Simple Qn...


Can you tell us our next premiership side?

Is Cripps in it?

If not, we should probably trade him too.

:garthp: :garthp: :garthp:


Cripps is at least a chance to be in our next premiership side
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TruBlueBrad
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He wasn't asking if Armfield was a chance to be in our next premiership side.

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gerry atric wrote:
I don't buy the "he won't be part of our next flag" arguement. Does anyone know when our
next flag will be, do we have a date? Did the hawks make a bad choice keeping richie vandenburg on their list when he wouldn't be part of their next flag? We need to build for a flag so need to have some expereince, toughness etc. if you sack every guy over 26 do you improve as a team or keep getting flogged. We haven't won a flag for 20 years, should we have sacked everyone then and replaced them with our little league. If jones stays on the list how could army get sacked? And how deep is the current draft? What's our record like beyond about pick 15?


100% agree. As Nathan Buckley said last week on radio, the impact Q Lynch had on Collingwood went far beyond his playing contribution and his legacy can be seen in the professionalism of some of the younger players coming through.

There are 40 odd players on a list and only 22 get a senior game each week. They all affect the club though.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:19 pm 
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Does anyone know if the club have announced the delistings yet?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
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If we lose Kruezer and get pick 2 would minimising risk and using pick 2 to get Treloar be a good option? Guaranteed a top notch player rather than risking it on an untried player. Too many failed top 10 KPP's over the years.

Weitering and Treloar would be good additions.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2015
PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:02 pm 
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club29 wrote:
If we lose Kruezer and get pick 2 would minimising risk and using pick 2 to get Treloar be a good option? Guaranteed a top notch player rather than risking it on an untried player. Too many failed top 10 KPP's over the years.

Weitering and Treloar would be good additions.


Yes please

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club29 wrote:
If we lose Kruezer and get pick 2 would minimising risk and using pick 2 to get Treloar be a good option? Guaranteed a top notch player rather than risking it on an untried player. Too many failed top 10 KPP's over the years.

Weitering and Treloar would be good additions.


i'd say yes to that, but we could also do with 2 top line KPP's which 1 and 2 will get us.

good thinking though

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If we get 1 and 2, go the elite kpp. Build a spine in one draft, like Hawks did with Buddy and Roughead.
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bender wrote:
club29 wrote:
If we lose Kruezer and get pick 2 would minimising risk and using pick 2 to get Treloar be a good option? Guaranteed a top notch player rather than risking it on an untried player. Too many failed top 10 KPP's over the years.

Weitering and Treloar would be good additions.


i'd say yes to that, but we could also do with 2 top line KPP's which 1 and 2 will get us.

good thinking though




Walk to the PSD Treloar, you know you really want to.

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AGRO wrote:
bender wrote:
club29 wrote:
If we lose Kruezer and get pick 2 would minimising risk and using pick 2 to get Treloar be a good option? Guaranteed a top notch player rather than risking it on an untried player. Too many failed top 10 KPP's over the years.

Weitering and Treloar would be good additions.


i'd say yes to that, but we could also do with 2 top line KPP's which 1 and 2 will get us.

good thinking though




Walk to the PSD Treloar, you know you really want to.

:wink:


I would hope we get a McLaren type of player in the PSD. We need a ruck.

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AGRO wrote:
bender wrote:
club29 wrote:
If we lose Kruezer and get pick 2 would minimising risk and using pick 2 to get Treloar be a good option? Guaranteed a top notch player rather than risking it on an untried player. Too many failed top 10 KPP's over the years.

Weitering and Treloar would be good additions.


i'd say yes to that, but we could also do with 2 top line KPP's which 1 and 2 will get us.

good thinking though




Walk to the PSD Treloar, you know you really want to.

:wink:


I'm into it but i dont think clubs are that keen to do it these days nor are the players. Collingwood will offer more too.
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club29 wrote:
If we lose Kruezer and get pick 2 would minimising risk and using pick 2 to get Treloar be a good option? Guaranteed a top notch player rather than risking it on an untried player. Too many failed top 10 KPP's over the years.

Weitering and Treloar would be good additions.


Why wouldn't we just put the PSD gun to GWS's head? Give Treloar a 6 year front loaded contract and tell GWS you can have the best pick we get out of the Yarran/Henderson trades but you've got to help us help you.
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