Don't think we've bettered the crowds for a finals series in Melbourne since the 1970 Finals series when each of the 4 finals played attracted over 100,000 people each even the First Semi Final between South MELBOURNE -v- St KILDA .

Certainly going to get nowhere near those figures this year.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

All the discussion around the Priority Pick seems to assume it'll be before the first round but if I were betting on the likelihood of a PP I'd have the market as follows:

$1.10 no pick
$1.50 pick before our 2nd rounder
$4.00 pick before our 1st rounder

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Are you setting a market for everyone else gets a priority pick except Carlton?

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

$1.20

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Generous.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Do they have a priority pick in US sports or other professional leagues?

I don't think we should have it at all. Every team finds themselves down at the bottom of the ladder over time. Carlton should not have a PP at all. One year they finish in the bottom two and they want a priority pick.

Free agency done right should be the way to go. If you buggered up your cap, then your stuffed, but if you manage it well then you dont need AFL handout.

Get rid of it, losers attitude.

Compensation, COLA, PP need to go with less restrictions on free agency and trading periods.

^^ I agree with this. The priority pick rewards incompetence. The only reason Carlton fans don't have a problem with it is because as a club we've been incompetent for nearly 2 decades. The best form of equalization is to treat all teams equally, not pick and choose who to give assistance to and who can skim the pool in the name of 'academy selections'.

The rules are in place, so I have no issue with us applying for it, but I don't agree with the concept generally.

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@cecil_anderson

Goltzy is having an epiphany moment where no clubs are being held together by sticky tape and the AFL money. A situation where Collingwood for example have an annual turn over of 70 mill and make 1.5 mill profit, us 50 mill and make 1.5 mill loss.

We don't live in an American/European sporting landscape, it's completely different

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I think the AFL should install purpose specific administrators into poorly performing clubs rather than dish out priority picks.

They have at Melbourne for the last 3 years, begged him in fact!!!

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

If you are arguing that the PP should not exist then fair enough. Saying the PP should exist but shouldn't be given to clubs that stuff up their drafting and list management would be wrong though.

I don't think teams should get it with one year down the bottom. Should be reserved for complete rescue missions. Neither the blues or lions are in that situation yet.

Not at all. Remove it.

But if it stuck around we dont deserve after one poor sesson. Neither does brisbane lions.

Ok so ALL compensation goes...for all clubs in your viewpoint.

Ok, so your answer is to get rid of all AFL gifts so that would mean immediately as of the end of this year:
1) North Melbourne receives no financial compensation, gifts etc from the AFL
2) North Melbourne does not get to play games in Tasmania and loses all financial benefits resulting from those matches
3) Hawthorn returns to the AFL all the money they have received from financial compensation for the "sacrifice" of playing at the MCG
4) Hawthorn no longer plays exclusive games in Launceston and loses the Tasmanian sponsorship
5) Port Adelaide - no financial assistance from the AFL
6) Western Bulldogs - no financial assistance from the AFL
7) Melbourne - return the 2.5 million (very approximately) that they got when found guilty of tanking but instead the AFL paid for their new coaching set up.
Melbourne - returns the first round draft pick this year that they got last year as a result of "compensation" for Frawley.
etc etc.
9) Brisbane will get NO assistance what so ever at the end of this year from the AFL. etc etc

ok...I see where you are coming from now. A complete level playing field.
To quote a man I despise "Pigs' arse" this will get through. The AFL have the hand on the tiller of the whole competition - including the welfare of Carlton.

Just give us the picks.

stuff the PP.. Just give us pick 2 for Kruezer.. which we would deserve...

Financial assistance is a totally different topic. Cola is an increase in salary cap for the swans, which they use on tippet n buddy. Dont get confused and stay on topic.

This is a business. Afl is tied by the tv rights deal to have 18 clubs so the financial assistance always has to be there. Helping clubs that are stupid at managing their list do not deserve extra picks. Clubs have to learn to manage their lists, not ask for freebies. We used pick 11 on brock then delist him a few yrs later. Cant tell me that is the trend of a well managed club. Time for mckay to go i think.

Carlton had a good list before mm come to the club and it is being highlighted in media last 24hrs. I hope the same people that wanted mick at the club arent the same people crying out for a pp

They can't remove compensation this season, but they should after this season. Strip it back to stop the confusion / debates.

Financial assistance is the main reason Hawthorn is what it is today.

What would you prefer an extra 1$ million in the salary cap per year COLA x 10 years (Eg Swans) or to get 30-35 million$ over 10 years in benefits/gifts from the AFL and as a result of the Tasmanian gift?
I would take the $35 mill, as that money can then be ploughed back into recruiting, getting the best, having more coaches, having better facilities etc.

People still seriously believe Hawthorn is where it is today just by being good at picking draft picks?

I hope not. There is more to winning than just turning up to draft camp and picking the odd good player.

Carlton is so far behind the eight ball that one extra pick is not really going to do much at all, but people are so precious about it and are indignant about Carlton asking for a pick. Ok if that is the case, then don't give ANYTHING to Brisbane either. You can't have the AFL propping up Brisbane but leaving Carlton out in the cold...but that is what is going to happen. You wait and see.

For the AFL to give a priority pick to Carlton and Brisbane they have to see some benefit for the competition.

The AFL have always wanted every game to be fought out with closer results, making for more exciting games and giving all supporters hope their team of a win which will give the AFL greater support.

Every team gets a round 1 draftee: Wooden Spooner to Premier.
One, including AFL, just hopes the quality helps improve the position of the lower team over time.

Generally a top 3 player is better than the rest of the top 10.
But, what we do know is a 11-20 pick in the draft may be better than the 4-10 pick.

The big question for the AFL is whether the current system with one high selection will help to equalise the competition overtime?
One thing for sure is that there's no guarantee the higher pick will be better than the lower pick see Fyfe, Selwood, Wingard etc.

When we look at the difference between for eg Carlton and Hawthorn in terms of winning margin and the difference is around 100 points, which doesn't make good viewing for anyone. I can't see how the AFL can see Carlton making its way back up the ladder for a long long time with the existing system. Same goes with Brisbane if you look at the thrashings they have endured this year and last year.

Surely it is not in the interest of the AFL to see Carlton and Brisbane remain at the bottom of the ladder copping thrashings for the next decade.

There's a strong case for a priority pick especially considering Carlton's high picks in the past for being low on the ladder were sourced from compromised drafts with the GWS and GCS taking the cream. Only problem I see here is that despite Carlton losing twice against GWS Carlton beat GCS.

One standard high pick in the draft for Carlton and Brisbane will not improve their plight. I'm sure the AFL can see the top teams and bottom teams are poles apart.

If the AFL want most games with closer results and give every supporter some hope of a win every round the result will be an increase in crowds and TV viewing.

Will the AFL do the right thing by Carlton and Brisbane and give them both a priority pick? Only if they need to. I don't see AFL making decisions that need to be made and this one will be no exception...imo. I reckon they'll sit on that idea like they did with Melbourne last year. It is much easier to do that and leave the pressure of rising back up the ladder with the clubs.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

and afl installed board directors

if things continue along the current path this may become the reality. But you might as well just close up shop... I would find it hard to connect with a soulless franchise managed by the AFL.