That doesn't make a lot of sense. A lighter, slower Whitnall.

I really couldn't give a rats ass what the guy weighs in November. If he's 108 as reported then he has a couple of months to work his ass off and get in shape - same goes for everyone else.

At least this time around we might not peak in March as opposed to last year....lets peak in football season huh?!

Stand by to see what sort of shape I return to work in over the Christmas break.

MASSIVE.

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Congratulations CK95

I dont see any denials and Denis pagan didnt want to comment..fairly average start to the preseason if you ask me.....if Lance is 108kg its a disgraceful way to present for preseason and Stevens isnt much better...for a blue chip player I expect Stevens to be showing the way in fitness and application.
Something more positive...Good story in the Herald Sun about Marc Murphy...nice kid ...hopefully he can lift morale and set some examples to his older fatter teammates...hope we get Marcus Drum so we can have some professional footballers at the club rather than the amateurs we are paying good money to support at the present...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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- Conor Gillen

I don't ever remember Plugger Lockett being criticised every year for being overweight at 191cm and 108kg. (which he was)

Going back a bit, there was Mick Nolan who was a star in Barassi's first Flag win with North Melbourne in 1975.

Nicknamed "The Galloping Gasometer"; his weight hovered in the region of 111 to 124kg, and it didn't prevent him from playing good footy.

Yes; I know things have changed since then; but just like being short didn't stop the Diesel from being a champion; Lance's skin folds won't interfere with his footy brain.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Sensationalist drivel; but what else to expect from the 'Peoples' paper'?

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"The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, and the young know everything." Oscar Wilde

Well I trust the club will come out strongly against all of this.

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If you are wise you'll listen to me

When Lance can perform like Lockett and get similar results I will rest my case.....the man has just signed a new contract....most normal people would gave gone out of their way to present in a good condition and show the club and fans that they were serious about their footy and were seen to be working hard....what sort of an example is it...as for being captain..forget it...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen

Perhaps that's the crux of it Elwood.

Should there be a "Present in match condition" in November clause?

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Lets hope it's quick smart.
Although I am concerned re: Stevens, but we need to squash all this bad publicity and now.

Have you seen him at 108kg yourself?

Cazzesman, frank, BV and others are reporting he's nowhere near that and is looking great.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Well it's finally come out!!!

I am not surprised one bit to hear that Lance is overweight again...

I witnessed the first training session back this month...When I first saw Whitnall wearing one of those white Carlton training tops I knew instantly that he had put on weight...He looked like a big balloon out on the track!...

I didn't feel it necessary to come on here and report all this, as I thought why bother, it will soon come out...

And to not hear so called 'expert training watchers' not even report any of this in their training reports doesn't do much for their credibility...

And to even worse, report the opposite...leaves much to be answered for..

It just goes to show that listening to people who know nothing when it comes to the team can be a waste of time...

I mean I thought anyone who still had a half decent pair of eyes would have been able to pick up on Whitnall and Stevens' size...Perhaps it's time poor old FAAD and co think about stepping aside and passing the role onto a more observant and young, fresher individual...

The alarm went off at 6:30 and the Dutchess gave me the news that Lance was overweight and un-fit.

I rubbed my eyes and said "is it March already??!! Man I must have slept through my alarm!"

What a load of shite! I've got news for the HS, Betts is still 4'2", Lappin's still 54Kg and French is still unco.

Lance's body is never going to be a rippling speciman like the Kouta-man but no one expects that, do they?

Ditto for me. I'll take our guys word for it any day.

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Lets face the basic facts and cut to the chase. Lance was in the last year of his contract so he finally gets fit and has a reasonable season and gets a new contract and hey presto I can let myself go again.
It is disgraceful that a guy who is a professional athlete getting paid thousands of dollars behaves in such a pathetic manner.

Years ago Parkin told dominater Johnson that unless he got down to 83 he wouldnt play.Whitnall should have a similar clause put in his contract. And what a great example of discipline and leadership it shows for our younger players.

The real disappointing thing for me is that Lance hasnt learnt from his mistakes.Even if the guy has such a metabolism that he sniffs a pizza and puts on weight there simply isnt any excuse.So its November and big deal some might say.Being 8 kilos overweight puts you behind in your preparation. Disgraceful.

Seems a pretty clear cut defamation to me if Lance isn't 108kg. The guy's earnings are based on his perceived worth and if the Hun has spun a line on this one it shouldn't be too hard to take them through the courts and at least get them to settle.

Is he 108kg or isn't he?

Talk to your lawyer Lance.

Go on.

That 'll shut everyone up.

And anything you earn in a settlement or damages could be donated to the club for the hit that they've copped by the bad press too.

The fans'll love you mate - really they will.

Unless of course Lance is 108kg...

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Turkish Proverb

You might want to put some smiley faces on there or something on there...someone will think you're serious.

If someone with younger, fresher eyes is willing to sacrifice their time to attend training sessions and report back to us then I'm sure they're more than welcome.

I certainly don't have the time so until then I greatly appreciate their work and will rely on what they have to say.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Stevens lost 5 kilos in the first week of training. He was carrying a bit prior to the first training session.

thanks for the endorsement - simply dont read my reports if you think they have no credibility or off the mark - happy for you to rely on journalists reports instead of two or three of us regular training watchers - and happy for you to report faithfully what happens at training rather than some others.
Look forward to your report on Wednesday

Like most others I'm more inclined to believe the regular track watchers here than some journo trying to get a back page story up in the HUN.

However, Ian Coutts was on the radio this morning and while he supported Lance, he didn't exactly sound too convincing. He spoke in generalities and after hearing it I'm not sure what to make of it. All we needed to hear was the actual weight he reported in at or maybe even a comparison of the time trials from last year and now.

Until we find out these details, I'm reserving judgement.

PS Over the Xmas break last year, I was at Optus Oval and Lance was doing extra sessions around the 3.2km track by himself. There's a lot of work these AFL players do that we don't see ... and I think the journos conveniently forget to mention this when criticising certain individuals.

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