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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:40 am 
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The Hendo deal is worrying. At least with the Yarran deal we might snare Lennon.


I don't want Lennon I want their first pick. Anything less is a failure on the part of the club. Yarran is contracted so there are no excuses here.

No point worrying about what he will do at the end of next year - by then he would have had a year under Bolton and may have:

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2. Played at a standard that is required from a player with his natural ability.

Sure offload him if we get a pick commensurate with his worth but don't take whatever's on offer for the sake of it.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:49 am 
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Yarran for a first rounder and swap of second and third round picks with a view to snaring Lennon in the PSD should be the view.

I'd even entertain Henderson for Carlisle straight swap to help facilitate this/avoid a situation where the Saints offer up a bigger deal/avoid ending up with Walker and a soggy sao from Geelong. We're going to use the same second/third picks on father sons anyway..

Essentially:
Lennon, Carlisle and picks 9, 29 and 49 for Henderson, Yarran, pick 22, and 40

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:51 am 
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Blues21 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
The Hendo deal is worrying. At least with the Yarran deal we might snare Lennon.


I don't want Lennon I want their first pick. Anything less is a failure on the part of the club. Yarran is contracted so there are no excuses here.

No point worrying about what he will do at the end of next year - by then he would have had a year under Bolton and may have:

1. Enjoyed it; and

2. Played at a standard that is required from a player with his natural ability.

Sure offload him if we get a pick commensurate with his worth but don't take whatever's on offer for the sake of it.


:clap: Well said.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:29 pm 
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I think everyone recognises we are holding the cards in the Yarran trade. We don't want to get a reputation like Essendon*, but we really need to maximise our return for Yaz. Our admin team badly need a 'win' and that could be it. It has to be Richmond's first round pick. Straight swap.

The Hendo one is harder. There's no point threatening to take him in the PSD if Geelong doesn't meet our demands. Our relationship with Hendo is too publicly fractured for that to be a convincing threat. What we need is for Brisbane to say they will take him in the PSD and for Hendo to be opposed to that. Hopefully then Hendo's manager will lobby Geelong to improve its offer to us. With Geelong's 2015 first round pick very likely to be on its way to Adelaide for Dangerfield, I wonder if we'll end up with Geelong's 2016 first round pick (which you'd expect to be in the teens) + Josh Walker?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:32 pm 
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Why not throw in the swap of later picks though?

We know what they'll be used on, and probably end up with a better one through either Bell/Henderson/Kreuzer related shenanigans? We aren't losing anything, so essentially is a first round for Yarran deal from our perspective, whilst Richmond get a small win?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:38 pm 
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What makes you think Richmond's pick in this years draft is better than Ben Lennon? What if it isn't and we also get a second rounder? What would you rather? Or are you just wanting the club to flex muscle rather than getting the better outcome? I want both to be honest but I will settle for the better decision.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:51 pm 
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Not sure if you're referring to me or ABNS, but if we're prepared to either overlook Carlisle or take a hit on the Henderson deal - we could have both.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:00 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
Not sure if you're referring to me or ABNS, but if we're prepared to either overlook Carlisle or take a hit on the Henderson deal - we could have both.


It's going to be a very long and stressful trade period. :yikes:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:07 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Not sure if you're referring to me or ABNS, but if we're prepared to either overlook Carlisle or take a hit on the Henderson deal - we could have both.


It's going to be a very long and stressful trade period. :yikes:



Will it? You can speculate and wish and theorise about outcomes as much as you like, but it makes no difference. Only a select few have a say in proceedings. You'd be better off just going to sleep and waking up in a month to see the results. Whatever happens will happen and it can't be changed.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:24 pm 
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Ah but where is the fun in that!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:37 pm 
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sstormin123 wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Not sure if you're referring to me or ABNS, but if we're prepared to either overlook Carlisle or take a hit on the Henderson deal - we could have both.


It's going to be a very long and stressful trade period. :yikes:



Will it? You can speculate and wish and theorise about outcomes as much as you like, but it makes no difference. Only a select few have a say in proceedings. You'd be better off just going to sleep and waking up in a month to see the results. Whatever happens will happen and it can't be changed.



100% I just wish I could do that! I get sucked in.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:41 pm 
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sstormin123 wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Not sure if you're referring to me or ABNS, but if we're prepared to either overlook Carlisle or take a hit on the Henderson deal - we could have both.


It's going to be a very long and stressful trade period. :yikes:



Will it? You can speculate and wish and theorise about outcomes as much as you like, but it makes no difference. Only a select few have a say in proceedings. You'd be better off just going to sleep and waking up in a month to see the results. Whatever happens will happen and it can't be changed.

There is no fate but what we make...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:44 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
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I could see us being part of the Dangerfield situation.

Adelaide agree *not* to match Geelong's offer for Danger and Geelong then trade their first pick to them for someone rated between 20 and 30 on their list - an Otten or a Lyons or a Henderson - alongside Adelaide's 3rd round selection.

We then take the Adelaide pick, the Adelaide player and Geelong's second pick for our Henderson.

ADELAIDE lose Dangerfield, Otten, 3rd round pick (#48). Gain Compensatory pick (#?) and Geelong's first-round pick (#11).

GEELONG gain Dangerfield and Henderson, lose First-round pick (#11) & second-round pick (#27).

CARLTON lose Henderson for Adelaide's third-round pick (#48), Geelong's second-round pick (#27) and Otten.

* I mention Otten only because of the Talia to Adelaide rumours. Otten would seem to have fewer and fewer opportunities available to him and is a decent enough player.

Of course I'm sure this is *unfair* in some way. To someone. Somehow. The picks will change with free-agent compensation, but two third-round picks secures us SOSOS and Rice, and we then have an extra second-rounder to play with (or send to GWS).


Do you work for Adelaide or Geelong?


No, but I would if they wanted me.


Geez, you'd want to build a lot of 'working from home' days into your contract. Imagine having to relocate over there.


What are you talking about? I came up with this gem on my couch. My couch! I'd never have to leave here; it's all gold from this location...


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:45 pm 
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2ndeffort wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
I could see us being part of the Dangerfield situation.

Adelaide agree *not* to match Geelong's offer for Danger and Geelong then trade their first pick to them for someone rated between 20 and 30 on their list - an Otten or a Lyons or a Henderson - alongside Adelaide's 3rd round selection.

We then take the Adelaide pick, the Adelaide player and Geelong's second pick for our Henderson.

ADELAIDE lose Dangerfield, Otten, 3rd round pick (#48). Gain Compensatory pick (#?) and Geelong's first-round pick (#11).

GEELONG gain Dangerfield and Henderson, lose First-round pick (#11) & second-round pick (#27).

CARLTON lose Henderson for Adelaide's third-round pick (#48), Geelong's second-round pick (#27) and Otten.

* I mention Otten only because of the Talia to Adelaide rumours. Otten would seem to have fewer and fewer opportunities available to him and is a decent enough player.

Of course I'm sure this is *unfair* in some way. To someone. Somehow. The picks will change with free-agent compensation, but two third-round picks secures us SOSOS and Rice, and we then have an extra second-rounder to play with (or send to GWS).


Any chance Geelong and Adelaide would chip-in to sweeten the deal with dinner, a movie and a tube of KY Jelly before they go tag-team on us?


That's some potent sexual imagery. How *was* your weekend?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:02 pm 
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BF rumours from barass70 (SOS' mate)

Club still very confident in 1st rounder for Henderson.
"Watch this space" 're Casboult.
Sam Mayes wants out of Brisbane.....

Also 'goreds' who used to have some reasonable mail, but not sure he still has a link, has thrown up the name of Peter Wright as a possible target with Bell as part of the deal. Not sure if it was hope, or he'd actually heard something.....

Tom Boyd is a name that still gets floated. Massive contract, talk that WB would pay a bulk of it, as they are looking to fit Carlislie in.

All rumours of course, but I'm still confident that the man who has come from a list like GWS doesn't think we can get the same by targetting Josh Walker and some picks in the early 30s...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:14 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
BF rumours from barass70 (SOS' mate)

Club still very confident in 1st rounder for Henderson.
"Watch this space" 're Casboult.
Sam Mayes wants out of Brisbane.....

Also 'goreds' who used to have some reasonable mail, but not sure he still has a link, has thrown up the name of Peter Wright as a possible target with Bell as part of the deal. Not sure if it was hope, or he'd actually heard something.....

Tom Boyd is a name that still gets floated. Massive contract, talk that WB would pay a bulk of it, as they are looking to fit Carlislie in.

All rumours of course, but I'm still confident that the man who has come from a list like GWS doesn't think we can get the same by targetting Josh Walker and some picks in the early 30s...


Peter Wright??....YES PLEASE!! Take that and make out like a thief in the night! Couldn't be true surely!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:16 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
BF rumours from barass70 (SOS' mate)

Club still very confident in 1st rounder for Henderson.
"Watch this space" 're Casboult.
Sam Mayes wants out of Brisbane.....

Also 'goreds' who used to have some reasonable mail, but not sure he still has a link, has thrown up the name of Peter Wright as a possible target with Bell as part of the deal. Not sure if it was hope, or he'd actually heard something.....

Tom Boyd is a name that still gets floated. Massive contract, talk that WB would pay a bulk of it, as they are looking to fit Carlislie in.

All rumours of course, but I'm still confident that the man who has come from a list like GWS doesn't think we can get the same by targetting Josh Walker and some picks in the early 30s...


Tom Boyd?

What?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:20 pm 
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Wright still has one year on his contract, but that's what the good clubs have always done when targetting players. Sometimes the hard yards are done in the 12 months prior.

Put the thought of a return home in the young Vic boys head. Promise of opportunity etc. Hope we show signs that we are on the way up, get them to hold of signing and then whack....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:39 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
BF rumours from barass70 (SOS' mate)

Club still very confident in 1st rounder for Henderson.
"Watch this space" 're Casboult.
Sam Mayes wants out of Brisbane.....

Also 'goreds' who used to have some reasonable mail, but not sure he still has a link, has thrown up the name of Peter Wright as a possible target with Bell as part of the deal. Not sure if it was hope, or he'd actually heard something.....

Tom Boyd is a name that still gets floated. Massive contract, talk that WB would pay a bulk of it, as they are looking to fit Carlislie in.

All rumours of course, but I'm still confident that the man who has come from a list like GWS doesn't think we can get the same by targetting Josh Walker and some picks in the early 30s...


Tom Boyd?

What?


It's probabaly a 2 + 2 = 5 scenario, but it's quite well known that the Bulldogs are (were?) trying to package up something to get an early pick. One of ours semed to be the rumour when it looked like Band 1 was a goer for Kreuzer.

Boyd's name was the one that got linked with another of their picks as the possible exchange.

The contract obviously being the main sticking point, especially now as they've supposedly offered more years and $ than we have for Carlisle. (5 years, not sure on $).

As for why they'd change their mind on such a big investment after 12 months, the view was that the deal was done prior to the Beveridge appointment and he believes its hindering them from any further list improvement.

Again, all Internet talk with no proper sources, but no less unreliable than anything the media are trying to guess...

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