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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:27 pm 
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You misunderstand...it is the LINK between increased running (or injury as you now seem to be calling it) and retirement that you claim is "general knowledge" that I cannot find.

So let me get this right:

- You do not dispute the game has gone up in pace
- You do not dispute that soft tissue injuries in the legs are the leading types of injuries in the AFL
- You do not dispute the best players are retiring earlier than ever before

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- You think none of this is linked

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:37 pm 
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..I agree with Jimmie on this one.. ..with nothing but my opinion, legs are like engines.. ..the more miles they cover, the closer they get to breaking down.. ..or legs are like candles, burning twice as bright but lasting half as long.. ..can you dig it..?..

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:52 pm 
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I might as well say the jumpers are lighter and so players are retiring earlier - both are true but where is the link?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:59 pm 
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You've caught me: I've totally made up how aging works.

Now that it's out in the open, we can all live forever and footballers will play forever.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:08 pm 
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You've caught me: I've totally made up how aging works.

Now that it's out in the open, we can all live forever and footballers will play forever.


Aubrey de Grey is that you?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:13 pm 
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2ndeffort wrote:
jimmae wrote:
You've caught me: I've totally made up how aging works.

Now that it's out in the open, we can all live forever and footballers will play forever.


Aubrey de Grey is that you?



Rupert Sheldrake more like it...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:19 pm 
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The point is Jimmae you have this habit of stating things as if they are utterly factual when truthfully they aren't, they are your opinion...this was one of those times when you simply made a statement as if it was a fact and I happened to be genuinely curious if this was indeed the case but could not find any reports (I did look and only found the things you later threw at me) - it seems (as far as you can prove) that no one really knows if your statement is true or not. It may be true (it may even have been proved) but you do not know that, your just stating you're opinion as a well known fact - its just your style I know...but @#$%&! it shits me sometimes.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:21 pm 
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http://www.udel.edu/PT/PT%20Clinical%20 ... 1/Gray.pdf

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:13 pm 
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Thank you Wojee. It seems (if I read that article right) that no jury has yet been called to judge exactly what is happening. I'll show it to my son, a discussion with him about stress on footballers and payments etc is where this all started.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:20 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
The point is Jimmae you have this habit of stating things as if they are utterly factual when truthfully they aren't, they are your opinion...this was one of those times when you simply made a statement as if it was a fact and I happened to be genuinely curious if this was indeed the case but could not find any reports (I did look and only found the things you later threw at me) - it seems (as far as you can prove) that no one really knows if your statement is true or not. It may be true (it may even have been proved) but you do not know that, your just stating you're opinion as a well known fact - its just your style I know...but @#$%&! it shits me sometimes.

It's not really a case of proving anything in that regard Danny: greater mechanical effort creates greater mechanical wear. The AFL has publicly expressed a concern with the speed of the game going up too quickly and what that means for players and fans. With the media trough the way it is, finding such comments are admittedly a chore.

The body's ability to recover from that is where the research questions are from a medical point of view, and frankly they're lagging behind other fields of research (which is fair enough when you consider sporting/mechanical injuries and their impact on lifespan in relation to much more common and/or severe health concerns).

BTW the tracking systems are much improved upon what that study suggests, thanks to rich sporting teams around the world tipping cash in for customised solutions. Smart clothing and RFID chips help provide more accurate data now. Some companies make gear that can take readings up to 120 times per second, which covers most use cases in elite sport.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:25 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
http://www.udel.edu/PT/PT%20Clinical%20Services/journalclub/sojc/10-11/Gray.pdf


Perhaps Jim could precis this down for us to 3 or 4 paragraphs. :lol:

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:27 pm 
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BTW this would be some of the data that SOS would be acquiring for his list management software, as in from draft candidates, state leagues and the like. Technically all you need is a few cameras at a ground, the ground dimensions and some good software.

Cazzesman wrote:
Wojee wrote:
http://www.udel.edu/PT/PT%20Clinical%20Services/journalclub/sojc/10-11/Gray.pdf


Perhaps Jim could precis this down for us to 3 or 4 paragraphs. :lol:

Regards Cazzesman

The conclusion covers it pretty well. ;)

If you do want a rough summary though, let me know.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:13 pm 
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Really worried about our Key position stocks for next year.

Now that we missed out on Carlisle, and we have lost Hendo, we need to get a mature big body from somewhere.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:19 pm 
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sky is falling chicken little style


we're going to be crap for a few more years. get comfortable (bolton style).


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Drewgirl wrote:
Really worried about our Key position stocks for next year.

Now that we missed out on Carlisle, and we have lost Hendo, we need to get a mature big body from somewhere.

Or...we draft some and develop them ourselves?

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Really Em, call me a chicken little that's ok. So in this forum no one can have an opinion anymore without getting called out or bagged.

I love losing and finishing last so much. That's ok, as you tweet all the time we will get the next wunderkid Weitering, and he will ask to leave in two years time too in this environment.


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Drewgirl wrote:
Really Em, call me a chicken little that's ok. So in this forum no one can have an opinion anymore without getting called out or bagged.

I love losing and finishing last so much. That's ok, as you tweet all the time we will get the next wunderkid Weitering, and he will ask to leave in two years time too in this environment.


trade period has not started. carlisle MAY HAVE nominated stk. who actually knows.
there is no need to freak out yet that's all.

i mean, it's not like we're almost certain to get Plowman & working hard to get Tomlinson.


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For once I'd like to see an AFL player back himself and say " I only want a one year contract because next year you're going to want to sign me up for twice as much!"

Wes Lofts once told me that when it came to doing contracts for Bruce Doull, Bruce didn't want to talk about money and he'd just say "Wes, whatever you reckon's fair." :lol:

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For once I'd like to see an AFL player back himself and say " I only want a one year contract because next year you're going to want to sign me up for twice as much!"

Wes Lofts once told me that when it came to doing contracts for Bruce Doull, Bruce didn't want to talk about money and he'd just say "Wes, whatever you reckon's fair." :lol:



I've got a sneaking suspicion that Carlton got the best end of that deal.

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