Walker's 200th too!

Come out and cheer for Walks...our 36th Blue to have achieved this....

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FtB

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Guess again!

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20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

There are many multiverses right now where we're 14 and zip.

(not documented in this Blueseum).

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Yeah..
you probs waTched the latest hawkins series on genius..where he got thm to act out how the multi universe theory works.
And before that no doubt you were aware of it and read a few books on grand unified theory and other such fab developments.
Maybe now read the book on only writing your opinion on gorringe and phillips once then letting all the outcomes go forth and multiply.

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Tom Hawkins was in a series on that??????????

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My mistake, you obviously meant Doug Hawkins.

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Oops!!
Try hawkings.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Must be a proper pre-match thread somewhere else ...?!

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

Why was Tutt even considered last week?


Surely with armfield our we needed buckley's pace?

You are wavering a little with White?

Kreuzer v Phillps? Watching New user live for the first time in a long time, he.cannot mark. Not sure how he ever went number 1. A ruckman who has little ability to take a contested mark- he gets to the right position, probably even.has both hands around it most of the time, but he never marks it.

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If Everitt isn't kicking goals his worth goes down pretty quickly because his man will peel off.


Nope; nobody had bothered to make one.

Did you want a preamble?

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Out: Phillips, Tutt, Everitt
In: Jaksch, Viojo Rainbow, Sos.

I don't actually think that will happen. Is what I'd like to see though. It's a pity Jaksch didn't continue his run of form yesterday. Happy that DVR sounds like he stepped up.

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You have my sincere apology for buying in to an offtopic meander.

Now...any chance we can win without Army and Murph?
For mine being in Buckley for Tutt.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Im in the it's too early for Sosos. Lets not break him yet!
Happy to see KJ or DVR in.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Watched game live with fellow TCer from Melb, and carefully followed Philips and Kreuzer. He was a Kreuzer fan. Firstly, having seen the stats post game I concluded stats lie. So I watched the game again and confirm stats lie. Stats really flattered Kreuzers performance.

Watching cricket now, but will watch game one more time to be sure to be sure...not that I need to check what I saw. I prefer Josh Fraser to Kreuzer. Josh could mark and get a few possessions. Couldn't see how Kreuzer accumulated 25 HOs. My guess is the statistician just gave him a few...then a few more for the sake of a decision who to give the stat to.

Kreuzer Can't jump, can't mark, can link up. His game was reactive to Mumford's movement and Mumford still has an ankle issue. What's Kreuzers excuse? We looked better when Philips was in the ruck but they are both below par for first ruck IMO. Has never lived up the No 1 pick. Not even close.

Putting Casboult in the ruck robs us of a KPF. You can't play finals footy let alone H&A with one KP and SOJ is not a KPF.

2 more Draft / Trade periods can fix the problem in the ruck, but geez we need some genuine midfielders first.

Kreuzer and Philips should do really well against Grundy again. They are the best we have if we play 2 rucks.

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I'd like to hear from you how Phillips changed the game

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20 ways to see the world,
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You know what might be fun..
Rather than throwing sosos to the pies..why not try the wonder ful Weitering up forward.
We just need someone to defend in his place.
Any ideas?

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i don't think he was that good Jimmae. But how do you read from my post that he changed the game? You're playing word games again.

But what was obvious is he got to put on pressure around the packs. As I said at the time of the game it's a perception thing with Philips. What's not a perception thing is that Kreuzer is cooked.

Philips looked more capable in the ruck, more nimble and pressured and looked more of a chance to mark the ball, and did, but I would have liked more from him as a ruckman and I was far from happy, whilst kreuzer laboured around the ground, couldn't get to the fall of the ball, so no way did he look like marking and he seems to have hard hands when attempting to mark.

I was a bit embarrassed for Kreuzer TBH. He jumped really well against MCEvoy in the first NAB cup then it's all gone. His roving work was great against Geelong but he was running around trying to tag Mumford with a bad ankle and struggled to keep up. That was embarrassing given the GWS were not looking for him, whereas Philips was getting to the next likely contest ahead of the ball when in the ruck...only for GWS to run the ball with speed.

I think Philips looks like he will be around longer than Kreuzer and is moving better too.

I thought Kreuzer looked better on TV but TV didn't show him labouring. I'll watch it again after 3 more wickets.

You want to drop Philips because???? And who will be the 2nd ruck? And when Kreuzer breaks down and jabs can't fix him, what then? Rowe in the ruck. Who takes Cloke? Or Casboult in the ruck? He's our only genuine KPF and Kreuzer can't be a KPF target.

I just want to beat Collingwood and Essendon*...and given we are thin with personnel we will need both ruck men to work them over.

Another wicket!!!!! 2 more to go. Go Aussies

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First I'd like to start with 7 or 8 talls who can contribute an average of 90% game time from the opening bounce, then I'll consider 'what if' scenarios.

Phillips was shoe-horned into the side, and I believe the medical staff are happy with using Casboult a little more in the ruck from hereon out if the weekend was any guide.

You really should be asking questions of our stoppage setup as to why teams can skip away from the clearances so easily. There's ways to close things up without bottling it for yourself, it's called strategy and Barker is supposedly in charge of it. The rucks are just one part of that, and the difference between the average and the elite in terms of the effect they can have there is minimal, it's more a question of ability to play one's own game consistently.

Secondly, you need to start asking questions about Kreuzer's techniques, and what he might be trying to accomplish. Smart batters in baseball are happy to play target zones and then walk if the pitcher decides to throw closer to the body. Leaping at your maximum every time and smashing into people only gets you so far, and there are plenty of times where it's a bad option.

Take Goldstein: he only wins 40% or so of his ruck contests, but he plays in virtually all of them for his side. Then you have NicNat who rucks about 65-70% of the time but wins over 50% and gets plenty to advantage. Kreuzer has his own strengths and you seem to glide over that constantly.

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Well we don't have the 7-8 talls who can go 90% TG. We have what we have and the coach does go with 2 rucks every game. You should consider why he goes with 2 rucks, and it is so unlike you to not consider what if scenarios especially given Kreuzers history with injury and your history with what if scenarios. You pick and choose jimmae

What does the emotive term 'shoe horned ' into the team mean jimmae? Speak football. You don't know if Gorringe was going to keep his spot or not. Dont worry I've got questions about our set ups but it was blatantly obvious we were swamped by elite pace, anyway this discussion is about Kreuzer Philips and the option of Forward ruck.

I didn't see any evidence this week nor any other game this year of the medical staff being happy for Casboult to play 2 nd ruck. Medical staff! neither has Bolton and he's the one who counts. Do you know why Casboult hasn't played 2 nd ruck this year? Perhaps you should consider that what if scenario.

What I'm trying to get through to you is the coach has a preference of 2 rucks, that Gorringe doesn't like the contest in the ruck, hence he's void of ruck talent, that Casboult is our KPF and ALL the evidence points to the coach wanting to keep it that way. I don't think either of them are great, but Philips has more upside IMO, because Kreuzer is near the end and all we are left with is Gorringe as the next ruckman and as mentioned he's no ruckman. We need to find a bonanza fide ruckman soon!

You are unbalanced with your views because you are blinded by your bias...because you want to be right every time and post views like they are facts. You have been making a lot of stuff up. youre losing cred jimmae and I'm saying that as a fan of yours. White did alright in his ROLE too.

Let me give you an interesting insight from the game. Kreuzer was on his own forward of play 3-4 times as a free option. He was overlooked, not considered and avoided. It was so blatant it could only mean one thing to the people who saw that. That was a scary sign.

Now, if Casboult did play 2 nd ruck who would be your KPF?

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You must have added this later. Glad you did.

Firstly I think Kreuzer is the best available. I've said that over and over. I do not think he's very good. I think Carlton people over rate him. No one doubts his heart and soul, it's his ability that is questioned. He doesn't mark bla bla bla...

Here's my argument in a nutshell for you. Kreuzer does break down. Bolton plays 2 rucks. Gorringe doesn't ruck. Philips is a better 2 ruck than Gorringe. Philips is insurance when Kreuzer tires or breaks down. Casboult is a KPF and should stay there whilst we have no alternative, not 2nd ruck. All our rucks are inferior to the best rucks in the AFL. We need to keep playing Philips. We need to find a bonafide ruckman to replace

If Kreuzers output was half of Goldsteins or two thirds of Nic Nats, let alone his durability and time left in the game I'd be rapt.

I don't put the blame entirely on Barker given our rucks and the lack of class in the midfield.

No one doubts Kreuzers heart and soul.

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