Kouta wont be there in 2 years.
Koutas age difference at the club which has us predominantly with kids....doesnt really allow for leader like Kouta to be effective.
The club is in a phase where everybody has to roll up their sleeves and scratch. claw and fight itself back up there... Kouta is unaccountable.

Yes stevens might not be the right choice either but we already know what Kouta has to offer the leadership stakes.
Stevens is reall untried.. and in our position we need to try something DIFFERENT!

We can sit there and pretend Kouta is the right choice for us... ( we really know better)
Or we can say ... "but we dont have anybody else....."
But next year when Kouta retires we will still have to find one of those "we dont have anybody elses" make them captain.. so why waste time????

Lets see what we have NOW!!!!!

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We could always follow cornflakes lead and rotate the captaincy; say....Prenda....Sporn....Livo....Davo....

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I was waiting for this.
If this ever happens down at my club, I'll know it's time to give it away.

Kouta has a few of the leadership qualities you need but he isnt the complete package...I think he is respected but doesnt inspire others to rally to the cause. Ditto for Andy Mckay, ditto for Craig Bradley....its just something the real good leaders have.
Kernahan offered more..maybe its the intensity...Kouta never gets angry...never shows his displeasure...nice bloke but hard to get him fired up....you need a captain who gets enthused, bit of fist pumping, and you need a captain who flys the flag for his mates.....Kouta will intervene but doesnt give you the impression he enjoys looking after his mates, its not his scene..Kernahan on the other would flythe flag and give his troops some cover and let the opposing players know he wasnt happy and give his teammates some confidence
I dont think Stevens is the answer either in the long term.....maybe give him a go and it could bring out the best in him but I'm looking down the track to Jarrod Waite or similar...want my captain to have some passion and grit...Nicholls, Fitzpatrick, Kernahan....we do well with bigger players in the role...

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Exactly, Waite will be the next captain if the club has any sense and Jarrod has shown that he has some too. The kid bleeds navy blue and has a passion to succeed. Will he be an immediate success, no way. Will he long term, you betcha !!

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Welcome to the Waite for captain bandwagon!

Hopefully come 2007 the club shows some balls and appoints Jarrad (he would be a similar age to Sticks when given the captaincy).

2006 is an important year for him though, he needs to keep on the upward curve he has been on for the last 2 years.

Reckon if given the captaincy it would be brilliant for his game and also brilliant for the team.

You are right, he has that bit of mongrel about him that great captains need.

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Waite is no where near it.

Neither is anyone else.

What exactly is it that Waite/Stevens/Thornton can do as Captain they can't do as Vice-Captain?

Toss the coin?

Leaders will lead, no matter what their status or title.

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You can only get so far on fake emotion. Time after time it has been shown that the teams that jump up and down and pump their fists and overcelebrate do not win when it matters. Emotion is a substitute for talent. Too much emotion, too little talent.

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We dont want to take risks in case we come last?????
When youre taking risks you look at what the upside is and the downside.
We dont have a downside currently because you cant get any worsre.. you cant lead any worse and you cant finish one spot behind last...

There is only an upside in your investment.

And as we know EVERYTHING has a risk.. what do you mean we cant afford to risk???

should we wrap what we have in cotton wool
?

We need to be daring!!!!

We need to be positive..!!!!

Good stuff doesnt happen to those that dont want to go get it...!!!


Look i think with some of you... you go with the philosophy "if its broke, dont fix it"

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Anthony Koutoufidies leads by example by his demeanor on and off the field, the way he upholds himself as a footballer and person. Not only that, he is an imposing force and an elite player (once holding "superstar" status).

These comments about kouta are pathetic. Weigh up the pros and cons and kouta is more than qualified. Our best and fairest winner, plus you don't have to be a loudmouth to be a good leader, actions speak louder than words and kouta definetely does that out on the field.

Synbad, you should start becoming more optimistic. Kouta is gonna be a fine captain to the young guys, including the new draftees and will definetely lead by example.

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I think the argument is really about getting the club a captain that belongs in that top bracket. Kouta doesn't. Never will. Is it a chicken or egg thing?

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So this is yet another example of a bunch of old guys pining for our brilliant past?

HEY! Who are you calling pining!

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yes comparisons are horrible.

I think we should accept the status quo!

Hooray for being crap!

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Which player did the young kids most identify with/mention in their Draft interviews?

Not Stevens. Not Waite. Not anyone else, but Kouta, first and foremost.

He might not be in the top bracket of leaders when looking at the past captains we have been fortunate enough to have. But at this point in time he is the best we've got.

I agree we probably need to take a risk to develop a new kids(s) into the role and like the Waite for 2007 theory. Let's see what 2006 brings as I can't see Kouta having the role stripped from him, so let's accept it, support him and move forward looking at who steps up without being asked … you know like a true leader should.

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Now now, calm down. The fact that we've had brilliant leaders in the past doesn't change the decision the Club has now - of course we'd prefer to be better off in a whole heap of areas but it does us no good to reminisce. OH! Of course, its dannyboy, you're paid to reminisce.

Leadership and being an 'elite' talent are two completely different things.

It has often been stated in this thread how Koutoufides 'Leads by example' on the field. From what I saw this year, he showed the way in how to get the ball from clearances (and did it very well), but not a lot else.

What really pissed me off was his lack of encouraging our young group. At a time when we were crying out for our leadership group to support the youngest list in the competition, they went missing all too frequently.

One incident highlighted it emphatically.

During the last quarter of the Darwin game against the Dishlickers, Chris Bryan kicked his first goal in AFL competition. It was Bryan's second game for the Blues, and we were getting pumped by nione goals, but the kid never stopped trying.

How did our inspirational captain respond? Despite being within twenty yards of Bryan, he couldn't be bothered to even go and pat Chris on the back. Now I've seen all the other teams play, and even when the goal kicked in a losing team has no significance for the individual, his team mates always acknowledge the effort.

For those of you who believe we should be unstinting in our praise and support of Koutoufides, I would suggest you don't read the posts of those who question the man's saintly status. No one is holding a gun to your heads to read these offerings, and in an alleged country of free speech, nor should you sanctimoniously be attempting to silence those with a contrary perpective.

For me, Koutoufides is an immense talent, who should definitely be recognized for some of his stunning exploits on the field. But, if we're going to remember the good, we've got to remember the bad for a balanced point of view.

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Maybe I see Kouta as more of an athlete and less as a natural footballer and I think the more natural footballer makes for a better captain....
If you look at some of the good captains like Voss, Riccuito, Tredrae even Barry Hall...they were born to play the game and lead...
A player like Hodge will lead Hawthorn because he is like Voss, Riccuito..you can see it from day 1 when they first play...its not knocking Kouta its just he never gave me the impression he was that type of player and that he has the job by default because we have no other options.
Stkilda can stuff around rotating captains but its fairly obvious that Hamill leads that club along with a young understudy in Luke Ball...
Wayne Campbell was a good player for Richmond wast never a leader and he got the job as captain by default by being the most experienced player on that list ...
I'm not in the camp that says the most experienced or most talented player has to be captain.....

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