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I agree BV, should have got him this year......


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Good early call Bosman.
Everything I'm hearing is super positive about him.
He has the other TAC coaches questioning their structures and processes after one year in the system.
I can understand AFL clubs wanting to give him another year but if he continues his rise, he will have the pick of positions.
He wont be easy to acquire without giving him a prime assistants role with a lot of responsibility.
I dont believe our current structure would allow that.

This year was the time to get him.


yeah yeah.. youre just negative.... you use every opportunity to portray us as a cellar dweller instead of the powerhouse we are...

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Whatever the case, dont read it.

It's a bit hard when I open a post on Paul Hudson, read the positive appraisal & then be told that Pagan f*cked up again for not hiring the guy. I've been to training twice this preseason & I reckon the 2 new assistant coach signings are doing a great job so far - I'll stick with that observation for the time being.


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:lol: :wink:
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- not that there's anything wrong with that!


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lucablue wrote:
:lol: :wink:
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- not that there's anything wrong with that!


I can understand your critical analysis of the posting qualities of others.
Especially when you personally deliver such literary gems. :shock:

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lucablue wrote:
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And you dont know why we bother posting???

Because if it wernt for people with a brain in here...youd be left alone to fend for yourselves.. :wink: (im winking at you... you must be a pooftah too) dont turn around... that wink and smile can do very unimaginable things to you when youre not looking..

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Hudson was assistant to Dunkley at Leongatha.I dont know where the parrots finished, but it was right up there.He would be an asset by all accounts and would be an excellent kicking coach.
I think theres a big difference between sleeping with your mates wife as compared to just having an affair.


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I think theres a big difference between sleeping with your mates wife as compared to just having an affair.


Without turning this into a debate about affairs etc., are you kidding me there's a big difference???

How do you think your partner would think about that? It's cheating on them fair and square in both cases.

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Please CC, lets hijack this thread and talk about affairs. It's going to be a long pre-season.

I'd have thought there's a big big difference. If you have an affair with your mate's wife you expect to get caught.


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Please CC, lets hijack this thread and talk about affairs. It's going to be a long pre-season.



:lol: It always is.

The hurt on your own partner is the same though regardless.

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BV - In your opinion, why is Hudson better than TD ?


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BV - In your opinion, why is Hudson better than TD ?


Not the same without your Kent Brockman avatar. :wink:

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I wouldnt say he's better than TD M2C, he fills a different role.
TD has been fantastic in his hands on work with the players. He challenges them physically, motivates them and is a positive uplifting influence around the club.
He does his best work out on the track.

Hudson on the other hand is more of a tactical student. He is a lateral thinker, challenges contemporary thoughts and would do his best work with structures, gameplans and tactics.

I went to a Football Victoria seminar recently and the CEO of the VCFL talked about the changing roles of coaches and players.
He mentioned Terry Wallace who introduced the practice of players warming up before the game out on the ground.
He also mentioned about Wallace doing media interviews before and after the game.
At the time most of the other coaches scoffed at the idea and branded Wallace a media slut.
Thinking outside the square can be threatening to incumbents.
Now nearly all the other clubs are doing the same thing. :wink:

Having someone on the list who is young, proactive and offering a different perspective is a great bonus.
I know this is a really harsh comment but Elshaugh is Pagans mini me.
He is a clone of DEnis who offers exactly what Denis does with a different voice.
He is there to reinforce to Denis and the players what Denis believes.
Is that ideal? I personally dont think so.
I'd love to see someone like Hudson added to the coaching panel but I cant see it happening.
He needs to go to a club where his creativity is not stifled. Where he can offer advice and thoughts without anybody feeling threatened by his views.
Could that happen at Carlton?

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BV why do you think it has taken us so long to hire additional assistants to Pagan? has it been because of our cashflow situation. I reckon Pagan has been light on in this area since when he first stepped foot into the place.

Elsaugh and Libba don't add much IMO.


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Fair call, you have picked up on one of Pagan's relative weakness. I think progress in this area will be in baby steps, TD and Dempsey are probably the first steps.


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It was suggested at last nights W of C function that it was a money issue.

Regards Cazzesman

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CC in relation to the previous topic, you are doing the dirty on 2 people not one.In the long run I guess there is no difference, but short term its a huge difference.Ask anyone who has been on the receiving end


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Ok, so what were saying is were not at capacity because were not wanting to spend the money....

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