can you get sued for telling the truth?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

You can get sued but youd most likely win... (depends on how much money you have and your legal team)

Ill represent you....

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whew I feel better now Synners

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Footy Journos.......

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The sports media are definitely at fault here. Just as politicians will often obscure the truth if they have a vested interest in covering up "distasteful" events sporting organisations are no different and will do the same. In politics however there's no shortage of journo's looking for the truth whereas in AFL...?

That's the whole point of journalism - you dig and dig and dig and uncover things. Spouting the soundbites isn't even reporting - it's quoting. Reporting involves a reporter telling the story from the reporter's hopefully unbiased perspective. Journalism involves finding out the real story. There are plenty of ways you can find out what's really going on and plenty of people associated with football clubs who are willing to talk. Good journalists will work for years to build up a stable of sources in their area of interest. Caro's the only one who seems to understand that very basic way of working.

As for the argument that they're just giving the masses what they want? If ever there was an argument for the end of civilisation that'd be it. If journalists are content in the knowledge that the drivel they serve up is of sufficient quality to genuinely stimulate the grey matter of the masses (rather than simply help add to the sludge) then as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't be journalists.

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GWS what makes you think that journalists want to challenge our grey matter? From reading their work of late I'd have thought it was pretty clear that their (generalised, of course) intent is to maximise hits /reads/ personal wealth through keeping your job) by minimising effort?

Sports journalists have become too indebted to the AFL & the football industry– free tickets to events, free trips to Ireland to cover the International Rules Series, access to players/ coaches when important news stories break.

Many of them are no longer impartial reporters of football events but rather see themselves as participants.

They can’t afford to criticise or bring into disrepute the industry that supports them.

Listen to any of the freeloader reporters who go on the trip to Ireland – never a word of criticism of the series, the culture of the team, the number of officials who travel, the largesse spent by the AFL on those who go.

If the reporters were not so indebted to the industry then the public may get real stories without fear of exclusion from the “clubâ€

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I'm sure most of them couldn't give a rat's arse molsey - that's the point. Martin Flanagan and the others who do obviously give a damn and they should be the benchmark.

If you were a journalist (rather than an editor on a circulation based salary and bonus schedule) would you be happy just spouting crap the whole time or would you want to write something of quality that might actually have influence and even perhaps be lasting?

I have no doubt that most of them don't give a @#$%&! - that's the point. I want journalists to care about what they do. I want to want to read what they write. At the moment I wouldn't wipe my bum with the bulk of it.

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Turkish Proverb

[quote="Ockham's Razor"]Sports journalists have become too indebted to the AFL & the football industry– free tickets to events, free trips to Ireland to cover the International Rules Series, access to players/ coaches when important news stories break.

Many of them are no longer impartial reporters of football events but rather see themselves as participants.

They can’t afford to criticise or bring into disrepute the industry that supports them.

Listen to any of the freeloader reporters who go on the trip to Ireland – never a word of criticism of the series, the culture of the team, the number of officials who travel, the largesse spent by the AFL on those who go.

If the reporters were not so indebted to the industry then the public may get real stories without fear of exclusion from the “clubâ€

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There's so much I could say...

[quote="Ockham's Razor"]Sports journalists have become too indebted to the AFL & the football industry– free tickets to events, free trips to Ireland to cover the International Rules Series, access to players/ coaches when important news stories break.

Many of them are no longer impartial reporters of football events but rather see themselves as participants.

They can’t afford to criticise or bring into disrepute the industry that supports them.

Listen to any of the freeloader reporters who go on the trip to Ireland – never a word of criticism of the series, the culture of the team, the number of officials who travel, the largesse spent by the AFL on those who go.

If the reporters were not so indebted to the industry then the public may get real stories without fear of exclusion from the “clubâ€

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

Wasnt some paper blackbanned by a club temporary last season for reporting something?(Was it Collingwood?)

Look if the papers press they get nothing....


Few reporters have the backbone to get fairdinkum....

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I also think that this thread really should be called 'Campo and the pig pen....' oink oink...

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Again - that's the point but the blackbanning of particular journalists doesn't mean shit. Does every journalist who's written a great piece on George W. Bush (see today's opinion page in The Age for an example) have access to the President or even his close advisors? Of course not. In fact you could mount an argument that it's access to the direct participants that stifles some of the potential out there as reporters believe that in doing so they've covered all the bases when in fact the secondary and tertiary sources might provide more detail than primary sources are willing to give up.

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Turkish Proverb

yep...officially the most boring ever TC thread.....snoo-ooze.....

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And we couldn't trade him no matter how hard we tried to ...

Now there's a story I'd like to read.

In that case I'd like to officially apologise for all those who took part in it. I guess we should all just sit in a corner and read the Herald Sun.

You wouldn't have anything you'd like to disclose about your line of work would you sticks...?

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Turkish Proverb

Top questions in your first post GWS

You should email them to GullanS@heraldsundotcomdotau, just to see what he says.

I emailed Mike Sheahan during the whole Lance 108kg thing & got a prompt & pretty to the point response.

Better still, you could email him the link to this entire thread

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My apologies if this has been mentioned but...didn't Parko ban the press/media just prior to a Carlton Finals campaign?

I can't recall why or what preceded this action.

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[quote="Ockham's Razor"]Sports journalists have become too indebted to the AFL & the football industry– free tickets to events, free trips to Ireland to cover the International Rules Series, access to players/ coaches when important news stories break.

Many of them are no longer impartial reporters of football events but rather see themselves as participants.

They can’t afford to criticise or bring into disrepute the industry that supports them.

Listen to any of the freeloader reporters who go on the trip to Ireland – never a word of criticism of the series, the culture of the team, the number of officials who travel, the largesse spent by the AFL on those who go.

If the reporters were not so indebted to the industry then the public may get real stories without fear of exclusion from the “clubâ€

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Sticks,

Sincere apologies from all of those with who think rather than simply consume what is spoon fed to them.

4 pages of comments suggest that there are a few who don't agree with you - but what would we know!

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