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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:06 pm 
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I wonder if the AFL gives it to us with a handshake agreement from us that we pass on the PP for a player like Shiel... so their other project in GWS gets pick 3.

I'd prefer we go to draft with both, though.

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Surely if we get two picks in the top 4, we'll trade one for Shiel or another prime-age midfielder. We need someone to share the load with Cripps or he'll be finished at 27.


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I think we should go all in for Dayne Beams.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:26 pm 
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Or is that go all out? :oops:

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Surely if we get two picks in the top 4, we'll trade one for Shiel or another prime-age midfielder. We need someone to share the load with Cripps or he'll be finished at 27.



Yes, or we can utilise next year’s 1 pick, there are plenty of options , Cripps support would have been discussed and factored in upon re signing with us, I’m certain.
Sheil , Dalihus and or CHS from the cats would do it and stop the insatiable midfielder obsession.
Let’s sit back, it will be and interesting Trade and Draft 2018, We have an expert recruitment team headed by SOS plenty of water to go under the bridge yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:57 pm 
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It's been reported that CFC and AFL have had discussions about PP. I suspect the discussion has centred around what decent experience players CFC might be able to lure if they had pick 20. CFC desperately need midfield experience to support Cripps and the club have mentioned this countless times so surely the club are trying to lure such players. Recent history shows clubs can get decent albeit not elite experienced mids with picks in the range of 20 so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the topic of discussion btw the CFC and the AFL. The AFL might be saying if we give you 20 you MUST use it for an experienced mid. Think the likes of Caddy as a past example. I'd be loath for the club to dilute pick 1 by trading it. Pick 1 should be reserved for elite talent ideally young. In saying that, and this is completely hypothetical, but if GWS win the GF I would be very open to trading 1 for Shiel IF we also know for certain we will get Kelly via FA in the following year. That's the only way I can see pick 1 being used to lure elite talent that is over 25.



Agree, in fact both our 2 rounders and PP and next year's 2 too. So that gives us two strong options at attracting a couple of decent definitely B+ mature bodied experianced midfielders, which will change our fortunes immeditaley. Pick 1 is for Lukosius without a shadow of doubt, clear out the rookie list and try again.

If we get Lukosis and he goes straight to CHF or FF as touted, which of MacKay or Charlie Curnow would you put in the Northern Blues. We can't have three talls in the forward line. (Curnow isn't going to the midfield just yet, even though he might end up there at some stage.)


Mckay has a way to go, imo presume he would be switched around bit , JL is so versatile, has a very good kicking action would easily adapt, to hb , wing or general forwrad, players with good skill abability , work ethic and endurance can be placed anywhere on the field.

So you want to pick the best key forward of this generation (not my words) and play him at half back?
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IMO Lukosius can play competently in any positions, just highlighting he's adaptability
and yes his skill and footy ability allow him to be a potent forward target too.

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bmaurizio wrote:
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bmaurizio wrote:
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It's been reported that CFC and AFL have had discussions about PP. I suspect the discussion has centred around what decent experience players CFC might be able to lure if they had pick 20. CFC desperately need midfield experience to support Cripps and the club have mentioned this countless times so surely the club are trying to lure such players. Recent history shows clubs can get decent albeit not elite experienced mids with picks in the range of 20 so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the topic of discussion btw the CFC and the AFL. The AFL might be saying if we give you 20 you MUST use it for an experienced mid. Think the likes of Caddy as a past example. I'd be loath for the club to dilute pick 1 by trading it. Pick 1 should be reserved for elite talent ideally young. In saying that, and this is completely hypothetical, but if GWS win the GF I would be very open to trading 1 for Shiel IF we also know for certain we will get Kelly via FA in the following year. That's the only way I can see pick 1 being used to lure elite talent that is over 25.



Agree, in fact both our 2 rounders and PP and next year's 2 too. So that gives us two strong options at attracting a couple of decent definitely B+ mature bodied experianced midfielders, which will change our fortunes immeditaley. Pick 1 is for Lukosius without a shadow of doubt, clear out the rookie list and try again.

If we get Lukosis and he goes straight to CHF or FF as touted, which of MacKay or Charlie Curnow would you put in the Northern Blues. We can't have three talls in the forward line. (Curnow isn't going to the midfield just yet, even though he might end up there at some stage.)


Mckay has a way to go, imo presume he would be switched around bit , JL is so versatile, has a very good kicking action would easily adapt, to hb , wing or general forwrad, players with good skill abability , work ethic and endurance can be placed anywhere on the field.


Sorry but this confuses the hell out of me.

So you are saying that Harry has a while to go to be a key forward target (possibly 2 years) yet you want to draft in a kid that no matter how talented he is will take the same time if not more, to fix our forward issues next year??

And as far as HB or wings, I would prefer a hard running mid with laser like kicking that can rotate through the middle, but that's just my opinion.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:36 pm 
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I will be stunned, happily so, if we are given a priority pick before round 1 of the draft, which is how pp's were handed out once upon a time. We picked up Andrew Walker, Marc Murphy, and Mathew Kreuzer via this arrangement.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:41 pm 
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I think Adelaide will want to make us an offer on Lukosius so we could end with a 3-4 picks in the first round?


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Hawkeye wrote:
I will be stunned, happily so, if we are given a priority pick before round 1 of the draft, which is how pp's were handed out once upon a time. We picked up Andrew Walker, Marc Murphy, and Mathew Kreuzer via this arrangement.

Daisy Thomas was also a priority pick selection (just not by us). We seem to have a few on our list.


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Blue Boys wrote:
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I will be stunned, happily so, if we are given a priority pick before round 1 of the draft, which is how pp's were handed out once upon a time. We picked up Andrew Walker, Marc Murphy, and Mathew Kreuzer via this arrangement.

Daisy Thomas was also a priority pick selection (just not by us). We seem to have a few on our list.

Delicious, eh?


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Hawkeye wrote:
I think Adelaide will want to make us an offer on Lukosius so we could end with a 3-4 picks in the first round?


Can't see it personally. They'll be confident in their ability to get him back after he's filled out a bit at another club and complains of homesickness. I like Lukošius a lot but I have my doubts it'll be us taking the young Lithuanian.


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DocSherrin III wrote:
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I think Adelaide will want to make us an offer on Lukosius so we could end with a 3-4 picks in the first round?


Can't see it personally. They'll be confident in their ability to get him back after he's filled out a bit at another club and complains of homesickness. I like Lukošius a lot but I have my doubts it'll be us taking the young Lithuanian.


Yeah , we took a young Ukranian a few years back and that turned out pretty good.Just sayin'.

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DocSherrin III wrote:
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I think Adelaide will want to make us an offer on Lukosius so we could end with a 3-4 picks in the first round?


Can't see it personally. They'll be confident in their ability to get him back after he's filled out a bit at another club and complains of homesickness. I like Lukošius a lot but I have my doubts it'll be us taking the young Lithuanian.


Hope not because if we pass on Lukosuis , we'll regret it .

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Sidefx wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
It's been reported that CFC and AFL have had discussions about PP. I suspect the discussion has centred around what decent experience players CFC might be able to lure if they had pick 20. CFC desperately need midfield experience to support Cripps and the club have mentioned this countless times so surely the club are trying to lure such players. Recent history shows clubs can get decent albeit not elite experienced mids with picks in the range of 20 so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the topic of discussion btw the CFC and the AFL. The AFL might be saying if we give you 20 you MUST use it for an experienced mid. Think the likes of Caddy as a past example. I'd be loath for the club to dilute pick 1 by trading it. Pick 1 should be reserved for elite talent ideally young. In saying that, and this is completely hypothetical, but if GWS win the GF I would be very open to trading 1 for Shiel IF we also know for certain we will get Kelly via FA in the following year. That's the only way I can see pick 1 being used to lure elite talent that is over 25.



Agree, in fact both our 2 rounders and PP and next year's 2 too. So that gives us two strong options at attracting a couple of decent definitely B+ mature bodied experianced midfielders, which will change our fortunes immeditaley. Pick 1 is for Lukosius without a shadow of doubt, clear out the rookie list and try again.

If we get Lukosis and he goes straight to CHF or FF as touted, which of MacKay or Charlie Curnow would you put in the Northern Blues. We can't have three talls in the forward line. (Curnow isn't going to the midfield just yet, even though he might end up there at some stage.)


Mckay has a way to go, imo presume he would be switched around bit , JL is so versatile, has a very good kicking action would easily adapt, to hb , wing or general forwrad, players with good skill abability , work ethic and endurance can be placed anywhere on the field.


Sorry but this confuses the hell out of me.

So you are saying that Harry has a while to go to be a key forward target (possibly 2 years) yet you want to draft in a kid that no matter how talented he is will take the same time if not more, to fix our forward issues next year??

And as far as HB or wings, I would prefer a hard running mid with laser like kicking that can rotate through the middle, but that's just my opinion.



Our Forward line issues won't be resolved miracously in 1 season or 2 , no matter whom we draft.
We'll begin to show more positive signs as we gain better options up front.
Harry will take time , he'll contribute his goal or two and that's about it, 2meter + talls really take time. Hopefully Silvagni , manges to trade in a few mature bodied mids , Wallis , Sheils or Gaff , Horlin-Smith. Preferably FA so , no picks required. Mature midfielders will accelerate development of younger kids by retaining more footy and releasing pressure too.
Lukosius , Curnow C and Mackay eventually will be a potent wining forward line.
2020 is when we'll begin to see CFC approach finals all going well.

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The first issue with your point is getting those players mentioned wanting to come to the club, especially when we couldn't even attract Smith when we looked a lot better as a team.
Harry is only worth a goal or two? Well I strongly disagree with you as he's pretty much doing that now in his first year as a senior.
And finally, games are won in the midfield!
You also made the point that we would regret not taking Lukosius. What happens after 2 years and he wants to go home? Or what if we miss the next Joel Selwood or Andy McLeod?
Personally I'd rather the club take a goal kicking midfielder that can help contain the ball in our half of the ground or can link and hit targets when we are running off the half back line.


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The first issue with your point is getting those players mentioned wanting to come to the club, especially when we couldn't even attract Smith when we looked a lot better as a team.
Harry is only worth a goal or two? Well I strongly disagree with you as he's pretty much doing that now in his first year as a senior.
And finally, games are won in the midfield!
You also made the point that we would regret not taking Lukosius. What happens after 2 years and he wants to go home? Or what if we miss the next Joel Selwood or Andy McLeod?
Personally I'd rather the club take a goal kicking midfielder that can help contain the ball in our half of the ground or can link and hit targets when we are running off the half back line.

For me, this has to be a consideration.
Adelaide isn't my favourite city but those who live there all their lives seem to think it is OK.
We have been pretty lucky over the years with interstate players but that was before the days when they could win a flag at home and their family didn't have to cross the border every week to watch them play.
The AFL website is now saying Walsh is the #1 prospect (and he's Victorian). It's only one person't opinion but t shows that even the top end is a bitof a gamble as to who will be the best. I agree with the idea of selecting a mid. Unless we have a midfield that can create F50 entries, we could have Peter Hudson, Jezza and John Coleman in the forward line and still not get goals.

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Mickstar wrote:
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I think Adelaide will want to make us an offer on Lukosius so we could end with a 3-4 picks in the first round?


Can't see it personally. They'll be confident in their ability to get him back after he's filled out a bit at another club and complains of homesickness. I like Lukošius a lot but I have my doubts it'll be us taking the young Lithuanian.


Yeah , we took a young Ukranian a few years back and that turned out pretty good.Just sayin'.

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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The first issue with your point is getting those players mentioned wanting to come to the club, especially when we couldn't even attract Smith when we looked a lot better as a team.
Harry is only worth a goal or two? Well I strongly disagree with you as he's pretty much doing that now in his first year as a senior.
And finally, games are won in the midfield!
You also made the point that we would regret not taking Lukosius. What happens after 2 years and he wants to go home? Or what if we miss the next Joel Selwood or Andy McLeod?
Personally I'd rather the club take a goal kicking midfielder that can help contain the ball in our half of the ground or can link and hit targets when we are running off the half back line.

For me, this has to be a consideration.
Adelaide isn't my favourite city but those who live there all their lives seem to think it is OK.
We have been pretty lucky over the years with interstate players but that was before the days when they could win a flag at home and their family didn't have to cross the border every week to watch them play.
The AFL website is now saying Walsh is the #1 prospect (and he's Victorian). It's only one person't opinion but t shows that even the top end is a bitof a gamble as to who will be the best. I agree with the idea of selecting a mid. Unless we have a midfield that can create F50 entries, we could have Peter Hudson, Jezza and John Coleman in the forward line and still not get goals.



Jezza wasn’t exactly a stay at home Full Forward, when he played there, he would have found a way.

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