Yes Minister?

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

yep Doc was much better approach and would of killed issue off

Sidex you give them way too much credit and really do you believe they were being strategic - no one else does - once again it showed our club off field is light years behind the better clubs

Just because we look like we are getting a priority pick almost inspite of ourselves doesn't mean that they handled it well nor that it was by design it was a mistake pure and simple

Agree with you, very unprofessional and amateurish by the club. A simple not a priority mid season will be reassessed.
Let's hope Brad Llyod can make a difference our footy operations needs a huge smarting up.
Hopefully Liddle, Llyod, Bolton and Sivagni the statesman get it right asap.
I don't mind Judd as director of footy nullifies errors at the top, age brackets are right for core administration, let see how they evolve.
President next.

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Go Blue Boys

Well...Lids, BL, BB and SOS are far more important than Chris Judd. Judd is only on the board because MLG knows it would appease most members to have a popular past player on there. There'd be grown men at the AGM ready to give the suits of the room an absolute serve, save for Juddy being there.

"Don't wanna look like a flower in front of Juddy...he might come and have a beer with us after..."

Even I have to give MLG credit where it's due. The President isn't going anywhere until 2022. This is Carlton. If you want to be on the board for your full term of 12 years - you'll be on there for 12 years.

Too right, I hope on one of his junkets Romanian mobsters kidnap him and sell his organs on the black market.

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"Then joked and said he (Jack himself) probably wouldn't even need to play until round 2 against Collingwood."

This kind of response is given by every player manager for uncontracted players and all it does is turn it into a circus. Just look at Lynch, Ablett, Buddy etc.

The only way to kill the conversation is what the club did and then revisit the decision when the time is right and framed in a way to best reflect the clubs interests.

I must have missed the bit where the clubs statement killed the conversation.

I don't think it'll matter in the long run, so long as the CEO puts his hand up and owns the original comments by acknowledging that while they believe they're on the right path, the realities are that recruiting mistakes of the past have made it increasingly difficult to compete with other teams in the competition.

And that doesn’t scream “yes, we will be asking for one at the end of the year”

If you were a lawyer, I’d be glad you’re not mine.

Word from “maky uppy HQ” is that whilst they want Gold Coast and Carlton to apply for the Priority Pick, they are more concerned about the parlous state of St Kilda.

Also “maky uppy HQ” also more worried about the fallout from other clubs should they award priority picks, so they’re trying to come up with a package of measures to assist bottom clubs, as they want to help St Kilda too - and awarding priority picks to three clubs won’t fly in the face of pressure and criticism from the other clubs.

So I wouldn’t be holding my breath at this stage for picks before or after the first round at this stage.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Saints have only one pick inside the first three rounds of this draft. I'm not against them being given a second rounder. Thing is - and I think the AFL knows this - a 2nd rounder doesn't help them much. They need an A-grader. They could afford to pay Gaff a lot of money and he'd make sense for them...but I don't think it happens.

Like I said I wouldn’t be holding my breath for actual priory picks at this stage - but we are talking about “Maky Uppy HQ” - so there will be a lot of goal post moving between now and when the official draft order is established.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Why are they more concerned about St Kilda? Who is on the bottom of the ladder with a percentage of God knows what?

Carlton has two marketable players in Curnow & Cripps, but that doesn’t change fact St Kilda has a better overall list than Carlton’s. If the opposite was the case Carlton would have beaten Saints sometime in last 2 years.

How about Carlton trades Kerridge to Hawthorn for his amazing up and und r kicking skills and in return gets Mitchell. Noice.

GWS, why don’t we put together a list of the most laughable (&equitable) trades involving Hawthorn over the last 10 years?

I’ll start- Best of all. This one netted the 2013 flag. Brian Lake for a couple of useless draft picks.
What trades will Hawthorn do this year? Oh, can’t wait.

Trading system entrenches inequality. Fix up trading rules AFL eg clubs that have made finals in 18 of last 20 years approx (eg Hawthorn) have to give up a player on their list if they are raiding the list of a bottom club.
Do something. Make them give up something of value. Don’t just accept the status quo.

Agreed, the easiest way to fix the restricted free agent where a top team gets a top rated player and gives nothing in return is to force them to hand over the same band compo pick.

So for example where if Hawthorn wanted Tom Lynch, then Gold Coast would get a band 1 compo pick which is first round and therefor hawthorn will need to provide the same in return so in this case their 1st round pick to Gold Coast.

This is absolutely necessary as the current system entrenches poor teams at the bottom of the ladder if they keep investing in young talent and loose them just as they start to get a return on their investment. The reverse is also true in that the top teams are effectively getting 2 first round pick, one in the form of the restricted free agent and then one in the draft; so they get one ready made player that they know is quality and one that is a pick more speculative.

I hope you realise what you're suggesting may actually make this competition fair. So fair in fact, it's ludicrous.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Well put!

There has to be some real loss for Hawthorn when they raid players from other clubs.

If they get Lynch as it stands they don’t really lose anything of value.

They should have to either have to trade a player to Gold Coast that they want (not a fringe player of no value)or hand over their 1st round pick.

When Carlton got Judd they had to experience pain to get some gain. Why is trading so much in favour of stronger clubs now? No pain for plenty of gain.

how nice would it have been to get judd as a free agent and to have kept kennedy + pick 3 as well....

our timing with all of this shit seems constantly out of whack...i..e. i seem to recall they changed the priority pick system so that you got one at the end of the first round and first year in itmeant we ended up with gibbs and hampson instead of gibbs and boak. there were some other alterations to the rules which went against us as well from memory...now you need to "apply" for a pick...what a load of shit that is..

i can just see us having to pay in a similar way described in posts above when we finally do attract a decent "free agent".

How about the AFL caps the number of free agents clubs can receive. That way every team can have a go at a free agent ie every club has a shot.

Unfortunately we’ve had ours with Daisy! But then again Betts went out as well so net net is zero so we need another turn....yippee. Let’s no t forget Waite either.

Can't do that because the entire concept of free agency is that the player gets to go to the club of his choice.
Making the club pay the compo either with their draft pick or by a series of draft picks a la father son/academy picks is the way to go.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

I think the best way to go forward would be similar to the restricted free agency model. E.g. If a free agent from Gold Coast wanted to go to Hawthorn for $750k per year but Carlton offered the player $1 million a year, the Hawks would have to match it. Then the Hawks would be required to make a trade to salary dump and equal the offer or just let it go. Then Gold Coast would still get a compo pick, the player would be traded for their "fair" value and somebody else might pick up a decent player as a salary dump.

That defeats the purpose of the free trade and how would that help Gold Coast in that scenario?