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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 7:23 pm 
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Light bulbs are being phased out... it's all about LED's now... might be waiting a while...

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 7:28 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
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Starting to talk like Bolton


Bolton had nothing to work with. Teague has a list full of talented senior players. Absolutely convinced we'd be doing better under Bolton


Me too


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 8:22 pm 
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Bolton had completely lost the players.

Still don't see that with Teague.


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 8:29 pm 
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Agree but Teague has almost lost the fan base and would want to coach better in the last 11 games


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 8:36 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
Bolton had completely lost the players.

Still don't see that with Teague.


I'm not so sure...

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 8:55 pm 
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11 matches to turn it around but more of the same 4-11 May not save him


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 9:03 pm 
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Won’t start favourites against WC Geelong Port Freo GWS

Lost to Adelaide Stkilda and Collingwood last time we played them

Might beat North although Cunnington and Ziebel always frighten us


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 9:10 pm 
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Selecting players horribly out of condition is going to go along way on him losing his job.

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 9:59 pm 
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We haven't beaten a decent team since ROUND 6 last year. That's over a season ago. There's something seriously wrong. Coach would have to be on borrowed time. It's a results business, and we're going backwards.


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 10:49 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Nick wrote:
How does a list with McKay, Weitering, Walsh, Cripps, Saad, Williams sit 13th on the ladder half way through the season? And all playing most weeks and actually playing well.

There’s 3 genuine AA calibre players in there.


This same side has to play 5-6 of:

Murphy
Cottrell
Gibbons
Setterfield
Dow
LOB
Casboult
SPS
Owies

Every single week, herein lies your answer.

We lose more often than not because most sides have better players than us.

In saying that we have plateaued under Teague, whether that is personnel or coaching, I think it’s largely the first one but we are still losing the same way. Why are our tackle numbers always so low?


Every team has those type of players. Melbourne smashed the Dogs whilst having the likes of Jordon, Neal-Bullen, Spargo, Petty, Harmes, Hunt, Hibberd etc.

Essendon* just beat West Coast in Perth without Shiel, Smith, Caldwell, Hurley, Francis and having lost Daniher, Saad and Fantasia over the offseason.

Heck even Adelaide beat Melbourne last week and Geelong in Round 1 coming off a wooden spoon in a season they lost 13 straight or something. We haven't beaten a decent side since Dogs in Round 6 last year. That's almost a season and a half. We never get it done.

Not to mention how much footy have Dow, LOB, SPS actually played in their best position (that would actually make it easier to stomach if they were). Owies been one of our better players recently.


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 10:50 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
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Teague "we're just waiting for that lightbulb moment. It's not too far away"

Just @#$%&! off along with Barker and the rest. The great big hope.


That's how backward we are in our thinking. Other teams have moved on from lightbulbs ..... more like halogen, xenon, LED and Laser.


We’re neon lights
More like candles.

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:12 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
We haven't beaten a decent team since ROUND 6 last year. That's over a season ago. There's something seriously wrong. Coach would have to be on borrowed time. It's a results business, and we're going backwards.



thats what waiting for a lightbulb moment gets you - they are waiting for it to happen rather than actually making anything happen

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:13 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
Bolton had completely lost the players.

Still don't see that with Teague.


Yeah because he had to coach them through the first 3 years of a rebuild. An almost impossible task. Similar situation to Brendan McCartney at the dogs who set them up for the 2016 flag, I honestly believe Bolton set us up very well with a solid defensive structure, but yes he had lost the players and we had lost our ability to attack effectively.

I think that's why Teague had so much success in his first half season. We still had the defensive structures that Bolton instilled and Teague released the shackles to attack more and play a bit more freely. It was a good balance. Since then I feel our structure and defensive setup has gotten worse and worse.

Is it possible that Bolton was on the right path and our players just sooked it up and didn't want to play hard disciplined footy? They loved Teague because he came in with the mantra of just go out there and have fun. All good and well if you're winning but it doesn't seem to be getting us far

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:19 pm 
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Posted this in the matchday thread but I think it's relevant here. Have a read of what the Melbourne players have to say about the standards Choco Williams is driving.....

And then have a look at our team of coaches.... It's not hard to see why we're so far off the pace

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/23/ ... melbourne/
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/29/ ... et-weapon/

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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:26 pm 
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Read all my posts. I have never taken a backwards step in my feelings.

This club is not strong in debate.


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:32 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
missnaut wrote:
Bolton had completely lost the players.

Still don't see that with Teague.


Yeah because he had to coach them through the first 3 years of a rebuild. An almost impossible task. Similar situation to Brendan McCartney at the dogs who set them up for the 2016 flag, I honestly believe Bolton set us up very well with a solid defensive structure, but yes he had lost the players and we had lost our ability to attack effectively.

I think that's why Teague had so much success in his first half season. We still had the defensive structures that Bolton instilled and Teague released the shackles to attack more and play a bit more freely. It was a good balance. Since then I feel our structure and defensive setup has gotten worse and worse.

Is it possible that Bolton was on the right path and our players just sooked it up and didn't want to play hard disciplined footy? They loved Teague because he came in with the mantra of just go out there and have fun. All good and well if you're winning but it doesn't seem to be getting us far


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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:33 pm 
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to post what the *journalist* damian barrett said, and he is not wrong----
Nothing ever changes with the Blues
DAVID Teague can talk all he likes about improvement and an exciting future, but there is not one skerrick of evidence to back him up.

Yet again, his Carlton team was OK in round 11, against Sydney. But yet again, it lost, without ever really threatening to win.

That's what it does. Its four wins in 2021 have been against Fremantle, Gold Coast, Essendon* and Hawthorn. The losses – Richmond, Collingwood, Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Western Bulldogs, Melbourne and the Swans.

The Blues' best is only OK. Yet again. Nothing ever changes.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 8:12 am 
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We have a lot of talent. Proven talent. And yet we are 13th and struggle to beat the shit teams. Something isn't right and the coach has to take the responsibility


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:24 am 
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Walsh
Cripps
TdK
Weiters
Fogarty
Owies
McKay
J Martin
Saad
Z Williams
Fisher
Newman
Doc
C Curnow.

A couple of those are down on form, one has been injured a long time, but they are ALL highly talented players who can play a solid role in a winning top 4 team.

It comes down to our bottom few, and the coaching. Get some proper support around Teague, and get rid of @#$%&! John Barker (at least) and the other assistants too.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:53 am 
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Need to look at the guy in charge of rotations - to many times when a team gets a run on we have the star power sitting on the bench
The only time we looked dangerous yesterday up forward was when Harry was there -
In the last quarter Rampe was minding Levi while Harry was warming the bench - He just left Levi a couple of times and attended the contest and rebounded out
The forward line with TDK / Levi wouldn't scare anyone .

I know they all need a spell but we have had 150 games to realise Levi offers nothing and we still keep picking him

I have been the biggest sack the coach person in the last 20 years - I have laid off Teague but if he and the selection panel keep picking blokes like Levi who offer nothing ( Cotrell and Gibbons are others ) I will quickly jump on send the Teague train over a cliff

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