Agree. We need a big clean out of the coaching staff and bring in experienced coaches with a track record of success plus one or two new assistant coaches who could develop. No ex-Carlton players no matter there standing as we’ve had a generation of players who have never known success and we can’t afford to carry them into their retirement.
What is more will likely happen though is that we make a few changes to the coaching staff and bring on another ex-Carlton player and there will be a spin how the players are invigorated with the new approach to coaching drills and everyone is on fire with finals an expectation rather than a hope.

Caracella

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Not interested in being a senior coach from memory.

Two options for us:

1. New coach but we'd probably want a proven one so the likes of Don Pyke, Clarkson (won't go away), Lyon come into the picture

2. Back Teague in with a complete clean out of all assistants but support him with a senior figure so the likes of Pyke, Brad Scott, Lyon, Voss, Burns, Leppitsch

Successful guys wont be knocking down the door to work under Teague, they are not that stupid.

Only one coaching change will make a difference and it seems inevitable.

Would be shocked to be sitting there.

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I rate all of Harmes, Hunt and Hibberd at melb, they’d easy be top 10-12 players for us.

Dow, LOB and SPS have had plenty of goes where they like to play, just have to accept they haven’t taken their chances.

Not saying coaching isn’t to blame to some degree in saying the above though.

We saw the result when Dow, LOB and SPS were playing every week under bolts in their preferred positions - we barely won a game for 2 years.

I think we went from one extreme to the other, over coached defensive game plan which was horrible to watch and I imagine just as bad to play.

Now we seem under coached if anything.

Thing is you look at other sides it’s not like they rotate 15 guys through the centre bounces, playing in midfield is more than that.

Yesterday others just didn’t contribute enough. It’s not like you have to start centre bounce to get 20+ touches.

Apologies if anyone else has already raised this, but is it possible that we've fallen victim to the AFL's capricious last-minute rule changes this season? This F50 lock-in tactical approach seems to be derived from Richmond, but the "stand" rule was evidently invented to produce less of these turgid, attritional games (and possibly to loosen Richmond's grip on the league) and has made the forward press a mug's game. Richmond are still struggling to assert their dominance (sadly, they will figure it out by finals time) so it's not surprising that our weaker team playing a new style are struggling more (more sadly, we will not figure it out any time soon). Seems like it's time to draw a line under this tactical approach, accept that the @#$%&! AFL has done it again, and use the remaining 11 games not just to test more kids, but also to test new gameplans.

Other sides may not rotate 15 players through the midfield but they do rotate 7 or 8 players through to spread the load - were just Cripps, Walsh and Curnow with a s sprinkle of Setterfield- by 3/4 our midfield is gassed and if we haven’t built up a lead by 3/4 time we get over run in the last quarter - was it any wonder John Longmire was looking so relaxed sitting on the boundary line bench in the last quarter- he knew the Swans were home and hosed.

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The opportunity to take the reigns is better if they are next in line.

Get an Assistant with a good grip on defensive set ups (plural)

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Me too.

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Did you watch Cripps give chase to Josh Kennedyrunning at 3/4 pace forward.
It was highlighted last night ON the Coach.
Cripps looked like an old man.

IMO, that proves he needs to balance how much time he battles it out in the midfield. He needs relief.
He MUST have energy to give chase, otherwise....Josh Kennedy ....2 easy goals.
Everyone must have an offensive and defensive game.

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Spot on Agro

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Agree with you Agro - we need to rotate more through the middle.
My concern is I don’t think we’ve built the list with enough flexibility to do this.
Cripps, Walsh and Curnow are currently (and have been for a while) our best midfielders. Only Walsh can play a second role (wing). Ed cannot. We’ve tried Cripps forward and it does not work.
Then you go to the second tier. Setterfield doesn’t seem to be able to play a second role. Maybe he could rotate to half forward but we’ve rarely seen it. They just put him on a wing and that doesn’t work.
Dow is the same. He rotates half forward but isn’t effective there - low disposals and doesn’t kick goals.
SPS has some versatility so maybe he can form part of the midfield rotation.
Cunners is the one that disappoints me due to his injury. He’s arguably the most versatile of the lot as he can genuinely perform fairly well on a forward flank.
Compare this to Richmond who have Martin (can play forward), Bolton (predominately plays forward), Edwards (who can play forward) and even Cotchin can play back flank or forward flank. Baker plays mid and back. Graham plays mid and wing. Only really Prestia (unless I’m missing someone) can only play midfield
Really the build of this midfield is struggling badly. Query on the quality and maybe even bigger query on the versatility of our mids

I have to say that I'm very happy that our assistants are finally under the public microscope, instead of just the head coach. It's well overdue.

In previous regimes, I can't recall anyone outside of these forums giving two shits about it.

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Who said 15?
Most teams run around 6-9 through there.
We run 3.5.

It is a joke.

Teague is running our 3 guys into the ground.
Walsh looked stuffed in the second half. I don't know where he got his 33 touches, he had no influence in the second half.
Not blaming him, blaming the coach.

Cuners? Look injuries happen.

Dow should be in the 22 if fit.
Fogarty is a midfielder not a half forward, he should be in the middle a lot more than he has been.

It looks like in hindsight that Judd was right about a 'training wheels' coach. Pity the club didn't have the confidence to follow through on its convictions at the time. I think we were all 'swept along' with the euphoria of finally getting some wins ('dead cat bounce').