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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:21 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
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Coach and his assistants are a massive problem and change needs to occur. No discernible defensive game plan. Our coaches think they can just forget about defence and out score the opposition. How is that going? 4-8. Not well. Every other coaches box would be laughing at us and requesting two matches against us each year.
I wish our issues ended there with the coaches but they don’t.
Our players do not want it enough. They’re not desperate. Players shouldn’t require coaches to motivate them but seemingly ours do. They looked pretty motivated to me when Teague took over from Bolton. Now back to the same old shit. We can have great tactical coaches and that will help us improve but it’s a house of cards until our players toughen up and play hungry. Every player, every week.
And don’t get me started on the management team that thought we were on the cusp at the end of 2020 so gave away our draft capital and massive contracts to Saad and Williams. Completely overrated where we are at. Do they have the capacity to appoint the next coach? These ones appointed Teague so need to take responsibility for that.


I’m tipping the only two left at the end of the year from Judd down, will be Lloyd and Teague.

I wonder what Worsfold notes say?


Worsfold let his players take drugs and he didn’t care as the eagles were
Winning !!

This loss was as bad if not worse when bolts loss to the drug cheats and he was sacked

We either have to coax Ross Lyon out of retirement or Paul Roos or mark Williams , these Players don’t respect Teague or the coaching staff

Teague sitting on the bench today with John barker calling the shots !!

Now that was comedy hour at its best , even David Chapelle laughed


Good point about WC culture. Loved over their. Vile and what they did to BC was a disgrace. No duty of care and didn’t know him when it all got a bit embarrassing.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:23 pm 
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Choco Williams. He’s the one I want. I wonder if he has any desire to be a senior coach again?


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Malthouse says 100% he does. And every retired coach does but none more so than Williams. Could do worse. Pity we didn’t get as an assistant coach. Exactly what this club needs. Discipline and full accountability for everything on and off field.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:31 pm 
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All I'll add to this discussion is that I've been happy to give Teague a chance into next year if we replace his support staff.

BUT - if the rumour is true that HE was the one who insisted on keeping the same group at the end of last year when we could've started fresh, the outlook changes entirely.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:37 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
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Choco Williams. He’s the one I want. I wonder if he has any desire to be a senior coach again?


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Malthouse says 100% he does. And every retired coach does but none more so than Williams. Could do worse. Pity we didn’t get as an assistant coach. Exactly what this club needs. Discipline and full accountability for everything on and off field.


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That has me excited. He would absolutely be the pick for me. Has been to the top of the mountain, has had some time away but still been involved in the game. He's a hard ass and drives incredibly high standards. He wouldn't stand for the efforts Teague's been putting up with. But most of all he's passionate. I imagine he'd be the best chance to stoke the fire in some of our complacent players

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:41 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
All I'll add to this discussion is that I've been happy to give Teague a chance into next year if we replace his support staff.

BUT - if the rumour is true that HE was the one who insisted on keeping the same group at the end of last year when we could've started fresh, the outlook changes entirely.


I'm happy to give him to the end of the year, but unless we do a complete 180 and finish the last 10 games with at least 6 wins in convincing fashion, there's no way I'd waste another year with him.

I actually don't even really care about the number of wins, but I's want to see him change his game plan, get the team playing to a solid defensive structure and stop leaking so many easy goals. But if he managed to do this, the result would be at least 6 wins with the talent we have on the park

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:44 pm 
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Chocco hates our guts, so wouldn't be caught dead at Carlton without lots of $$$$$$$$$

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:46 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
All I'll add to this discussion is that I've been happy to give Teague a chance into next year if we replace his support staff.

BUT - if the rumour is true that HE was the one who insisted on keeping the same group at the end of last year when we could've started fresh, the outlook changes entirely.


Agree time for a support shake up, Barker has had enough time imo


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:50 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
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Lyon is good but take Crowley and Barlow out and he choked big time.

He choked so bad he needed to rebuild. He doesnt have a Barlow and Crowley to work with. We need to win clearances thats it in a nutshell and need to bring better midfield talent into this squad and improve it

Ross Lyon made players of
Baker , gwilt , Dawson , Barlow , Crowley , baker , umm how many more you want ??

If he walked into Carlton tomorrow as coach one thing is for certain , no one would shirk a contest and he will find 22 players who will all play for each other


I think Teague or if someone replaced him would have to keep turning over the list to find those players.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:57 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
All I'll add to this discussion is that I've been happy to give Teague a chance into next year if we replace his support staff.

BUT - if the rumour is true that HE was the one who insisted on keeping the same group at the end of last year when we could've started fresh, the outlook changes entirely.


I’ve got a feeling a review at the end of the season will happen.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:07 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
All I'll add to this discussion is that I've been happy to give Teague a chance into next year if we replace his support staff.

BUT - if the rumour is true that HE was the one who insisted on keeping the same group at the end of last year when we could've started fresh, the outlook changes entirely.


I’ve got a feeling a review at the end of the season will happen.

Will the review be thorough and independent though, or just an internal flick and tick exercise from the outgoing Pres?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:24 am 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
All I'll add to this discussion is that I've been happy to give Teague a chance into next year if we replace his support staff.

BUT - if the rumour is true that HE was the one who insisted on keeping the same group at the end of last year when we could've started fresh, the outlook changes entirely.


I’ve got a feeling a review at the end of the season will happen.

Will the review be thorough and independent though, or just an internal flick and tick exercise from the outgoing Pres?


Hopefully the former, I mean what is the point in the later?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:39 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
All I'll add to this discussion is that I've been happy to give Teague a chance into next year if we replace his support staff.

BUT - if the rumour is true that HE was the one who insisted on keeping the same group at the end of last year when we could've started fresh, the outlook changes entirely.


I’ve got a feeling a review at the end of the season will happen.

Will the review be thorough and independent though, or just an internal flick and tick exercise from the outgoing Pres?


Hopefully the former, I mean what is the point in the later?

Agreed. Self-preservation of those currently employed, I suspect


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:34 am 
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Walsh wrote:
What was Clarkson and Lyon going to do without key forwards lel


Probably what Simpson did without Josh Kennedy and Oscar Allen. Improvise.
We're all at sea. The players have no sustainable system to follow. So we kick it long to Cripps. Even if he has 4 players on him.
I can understand the frustration of supporters. We have followed and financially propped up the club for the best part of 20 years of absolute rubbish. Finally we saw a real rebuild with a willingness to cut the list severely, to bring in youth and to commence another generation of young stars. 6 -7 years later, the club is telling us the time is now and the team is playing superficial, defensively unsustainable football.

Teague fails to understand the correlation between offensive and defensive footy. He was asked about us conceding multiple goals in runs a few weeks ago. His answer was to continue attacking instead of going back into our shells. How about implementing a defensive system that slows the oppositions momentum instead continuing to bomb it long?
Hopefully the players have more faith in Teague than I do. He looks and sounds totally bereft of ideas. He seems well out of his depth.

As for replacements, surely people are taking the piss with Mark Williams? He's a loose cannon. He is good value at Melbourne because they keep him on a leash. Have people not learnt their lessons from Malthouse and Pagan.
Look to the future. Go back and watch how Box Hill decimated our VFL team with a bunch of no name players. Personally, as I said several weeks ago, I'd chase Sam Mitchell.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:56 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Choco Williams. He’s the one I want. I wonder if he has any desire to be a senior coach again?


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Malthouse says 100% he does. And every retired coach does but none more so than Williams. Could do worse. Pity we didn’t get as an assistant coach. Exactly what this club needs. Discipline and full accountability for everything on and off field.


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Doesn’t he also have a kicking school with what he brings to the Dees? Could do worse that the garbage we have now.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Walsh wrote:
What was Clarkson and Lyon going to do without key forwards lel


Probably what Simpson did without Josh Kennedy and Oscar Allen. Improvise.
We're all at sea. The players have no sustainable system to follow. So we kick it long to Cripps. Even if he has 4 players on him.
I can understand the frustration of supporters. We have followed and financially propped up the club for the best part of 20 years of absolute rubbish. Finally we saw a real rebuild with a willingness to cut the list severely, to bring in youth and to commence another generation of young stars. 6 -7 years later, the club is telling us the time is now and the team is playing superficial, defensively unsustainable football.

Teague fails to understand the correlation between offensive and defensive footy. He was asked about us conceding multiple goals in runs a few weeks ago. His answer was to continue attacking instead of going back into our shells. How about implementing a defensive system that slows the oppositions momentum instead continuing to bomb it long?
Hopefully the players have more faith in Teague than I do. He looks and sounds totally bereft of ideas. He seems well out of his depth.

As for replacements, surely people are taking the piss with Mark Williams? He's a loose cannon. He is good value at Melbourne because they keep him on a leash. Have people not learnt their lessons from Malthouse and Pagan.
Look to the future. Go back and watch how Box Hill decimated our VFL team with a bunch of no name players. Personally, as I said several weeks ago, I'd chase Sam Mitchell.


Defense.


If we get to a game again this year in Victoria, the crowd should just start chanting it like an NBA game.

One word will be Teague legacy as a coach, in a negative way.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am 
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Time to try different things that midfield is not working.

Throw Docherty and Stocker in the middle

Let Walsh be a roaming playmaker has the engine to get to most contests.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:00 am 
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Walsh wrote:
Time to try different things that midfield is not working.

Throw Docherty and Stocker in the middle

Let Walsh be a roaming playmaker has the engine to get to most contests.


He's had 18 months to try something and it's most likely going to be Cripps at Half Back with Betts there also.
Everyone else has had a go down back he even put Curnow down there.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:09 am 
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deano35 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Time to try different things that midfield is not working.

Throw Docherty and Stocker in the middle

Let Walsh be a roaming playmaker has the engine to get to most contests.


He's had 18 months to try something and it's most likely going to be Cripps at Half Back with Betts there also.
Everyone else has had a go down back he even put Curnow down there.


Gameplan needs to be altered or change.

Playing breakneck speed footy is ok for the players we have and squeeze aggressively but we are defensively too leaky.

We don't win enough clearances and setting up behind the ball is way off.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:17 am 
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I don't know why we need to wait. And review should be happening now.

The year is done.

Review everything, now. We have two weeks and by the end of the two weeks we should have everything in place or moving towards the right direction so that everyone , come day 1 of pre season is on the same track.

I don't want to start pre season by interviewing and reviewing ..


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:49 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Choco Williams. He’s the one I want. I wonder if he has any desire to be a senior coach again?


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Malthouse says 100% he does. And every retired coach does but none more so than Williams. Could do worse. Pity we didn’t get as an assistant coach. Exactly what this club needs. Discipline and full accountability for everything on and off field.


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That has me excited. He would absolutely be the pick for me. Has been to the top of the mountain, has had some time away but still been involved in the game. He's a hard ass and drives incredibly high standards. He wouldn't stand for the efforts Teague's been putting up with. But most of all he's passionate. I imagine he'd be the best chance to stoke the fire in some of our complacent players


Imagine mark williams type and leppa walking into the club , we will automatically improve and that’s just 2 with premiership success behind them

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