He had a couple of good years, after their review, but the other 8 years were pretty shit given what he had to work with.

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Looks like fun.

How did I go?

54 percent winning record over 205 games -just a toiler

A very good record in finals -a good record in interstate finals and a good record in winning interstate
I get the Collingwood hate but let’s at least be somewhat objective
We as a club would have killed for such a record over the last 10 years

Yes - with one of the best lists in the competition.

We will have a better record over the next 10 years on proviso this club manages to put our midfield in repair mode as bookends is AA.

Dont rate him as a coach; if you look at his record first five years performance was regressing year on year. What turned them around was giving up first round picks left and right for midfield talent.

Yes. By far our 2nd best result this century, sadly. For all the issues we are always competitive, scoreboard-wise at least, and only been beaten by more than 30 points twice, one being a round 23 "cue in the rack" game. Issue is the lack of drive, hunger, motivation of the playing group to turn those games into wins. Not even such a big step given the scoreboard competitiveness, just some intestinal fortitude. We need real peer pressure to drive the playing group. Coach can only do so much in that regard.

We would've killed for that list. 54% is pretty average considering.

Surely the last thing Buckley wants to do right now is take on a senior coach role at another club under the microscope.

Exactly

Hoping they change or get better or learn on the job is not the way you play Finals and win Flags.

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I'm not a Teague fan but I don't think Bucks offers any more than Teague, in fact he might offer less, Bucks is institutionalised, an entire career at one club with Eddie and Mick, and we have already had Mick.

Had been thinking about Buckley after you toyed with the idea.
The points made in your post are right and makes sense.

As soon as I heard Buckley was leaving Pies an hour ago, I thought of the way Buckley communicates, his achievements, his ability to understand and react to opposition coach tactics, let alone his ability to get his team to finals and a GF.

He has a lot of respect in the Football Community.

He would be a great replacement for Teague.

The players are not playing for Teague, or Teague doesn't know how to communicate or motivate on the things the players need to do week in week out, but don't.

Ed Curnow has said it twice now: something along the lines..."if we could commit to the defensive side of the game we would........[be winning]"

Like I said, the Tail is Wagging the Dog at Carlton. nothing to do with Messiah, it just should not be happening.

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Could he blossom with our list and with the addition of a couple new players at the end of the year, could he create a Game Plan to take us to Finals?

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Walshy, there's big problems with the Game Plan.
Players are not working hard for their coach.

I heard it with my own ears...nothing. Our players do not talk on the field to support each other.
I saw it with my own eyes, the players give up the chase.

Our opponents don't worry about perceived pressure because they get none put on them if Betts isn't around.

Have a look at what our players do when they have possession, and therefore control of the ball in the backline...its a shit fight to get it past the wing. There's no method.

How dumb to see our players winning the ball and kicking bombs up to Harry when he's off the ground with concussion.

Buckley has had his days at Collingwood = No Premierships. karma? Maybe.

He could turn his fortune around with another tilt and our list.

This is only being thrown out there because he's finished with collingwood as a player, and now, as a coach.

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What if he does?

What if he does at the end of the season?

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Buckley is light years ahead of teague as a coach.

Experience is indelible.

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We need to look at all potential options thoroughly and rationally with a proper process.

All of the above is alien at Carlton but I’m hoping with a change of President that this could finally be the time we do things like a modern professional organisation.

We need to forget the fact that we’ve burnt through a million coaches in the last decade - this fact is inconsequential and irrelevant to our next decision.

We need to forget we previously recruited a Collingwood coach who (by design if you listen to the conspiracy nuffs) was a spectacular failure by and large (although did stop the rot and start the bones of the rebuild) - this is inconsequential and irrelevant to our next decision.

We need to forget that Teague currently has a win/loss record better than the last few coaches - it’s a low base to compare from, is still not good enough and is inconsequential and irrelevant to our next decision.

We need to investigate all options thoroughly; Buckley is an option, and a solid one at that.

Hard nut, experienced, speaks well in the media, respected. Has shown ability to adapt his coaching, definitely has achieved buy in from the list for an extended period of time. Took his list to regular finals appearances and a GF. Okay, they didn’t win it (nothing new for the Filth there) but other than a Goal From God, what if he had? Would that change the perception?

He’s a better coach than Teague pound for pound. I’m not saying he’s the one, but he’s there, he needed a change regardless and should absolutely be considered and interviewed thoroughly - screw the supporters who don’t want to change coaches again because it’s happened too much; or that our loser coach is losing less than the previous loser coaches; or that we have some sort of Collingwood conspiracy voodoo coz of Malthouse. Do what’s right for the club and if after a thorough process that is Buckley, I’ll suck it up and back it.

I've thought this for a while now... just didn't have the guts to put it on here. I'm with you Frank. Buckley is everything that Teague isn't. Teague might get there with experience, but at present he hasn't shown that to be the case.

Structures and buy in. Take this year out of it, Buckley has been good.

The difference between Buckley and Madhouse and Pagan is that Bucks is still young and hungry for the ultimate success. Pagan took it for the paycheck. Madhouse took it for revenge and both were obsessed with outdated game plans.

I'm not saying that I'm 100% in on getting rid of Teague at this stage, but if the scenario arose of Teague out and Buckley in, I wouldn't be disappointed in the decision

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Thanks Cranium I raised this about 6 weeks ago probably prematurely but with hindsight some prescience.

The inevitable pile on occurred when I raised it but would be more disappointed than presently if we as a club didn’t at least consider Buckley as an option but obviously through a professional and comprehensive process .

I think we underestimate the impact list management decisions out of Buckley's control have hampered him in the past 2 seasons.

Curious as to how much input he had on the De Goey/Grundy contracts, or how much say he had in the subsequent need for the Treloar/Phillips/Stephenson decisions.

Sheed hits the post. GWS rush a behind a year later. The football media falls over itself to anoint Ross Lyon as a could've/should've premiership coach, but never do the same yards to pay Buckley the same respect.

I just had a look at my WhatsApp convo... 9th May

"Don't react... just think about it"
"Get Buckley"

Needless to say, my mate reacted... hence why I never went with it on here

I'm still not sure it's THE answer, but surely worthy of consideration and shouldn't simply be dismissed

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