I have given Pagan 3 years and he has taken us from last with heaps of injuries to last with little injuries.

By the way Britts coached the side in 2001 and he basically was in 2000. His record craps all over Pagan who is the worst performed coach in our modern history.

Beasy wasn't given the opportunities at senior level like Prenda or Deluca have been given. When he rarely was given a game he got about 2 minutes of 2 quarters. Hopper was a ball magnet getting plenty of the footy when given proper match time but Pagan prefered his love childs Sporn and Wiggins who couldn't find the footy if it was glued to the end of their knobs.
Darren Hulme despite his short comings still was our best in and under player but we get rid of him in favour of well em...... no one. We have no f#$% ready made hard nosed in and under players.
Don't get me started on why we retained Livo he is almost as bad as the gorilla Pagan brought over to get his 300.

Oh if thats the case whats your beef with what Pagan is on???
And we offered Kosi more .. he stayed for less.
We offered Luke Power more.. he stayed for less.
We offered Robert Harvey more.. he has stayed for less.
Greg Healey??>less
Justin Leppitch???>less.
Brent Harvey???>Less
Nathan Burke???>less

As a matter of fact the only players that were going to jump ship ftrom their clubs, for MORE MONEY, last year belonged to us and they were all in the leadership group....

We have paid over the odds and received less per $ from senior players , ore than any other club.

I used to think our players played for us because they loved the club.... not because we had to pay MORE!!!...

Whats happened over the last decade is that because we looked after our own better than any other club.. 'our own' ended up thinking we should have to wipe their arses for them... pay them above market value.. pay for their taxes even....
How funny is that???

Players spitting the dummy at the club because they BELIEVE the club is responsible for their taxation affairs....

We had a long line of players contracting one Dave Allison to manage their financial affairs.. to the absolute detriment of this football club.
The least the idiot could have done is lodged 'Dog' Browns paperwork to the AFL so it doesnt implicate us on his greedy deals.

Jack Elliot.. the man who couldnt stand seeing Carlton players leave to other clubs and with the motto "We never rebuild at carlton " was cannon fodder for these blokes..

They all knew it!!!... the arse end of this lot of players and mentality just hated that they missed out on the cream when it came to their time.....

Doull... a newsagency in Jacana...

Some of these blokes made million dllar businesses out of this club.

And whilst i believe all players should get out of footy with more than just a newsagency in Jacana...i dont believe they have to drink the well dry...
Whats wrong with them???

Cant they make money with a very good income for themselves after footy??
they act as if they need the very last 1$ coin they can scrounge from the club or they will be out on the streets.

Its still hurting us....!!!

Im sure it will change when those players bugger off before they contaminate the kids.

where is beasy playing now? or Cambell? How many went after Manton? Beaumont is play for whom? Murph? Alan? Plunkett's where?

who are these stars pagan let slip through his fingers - show me one that has gone on to establish/confirm their star status?

So what youre saying is Beasy is better than Livo,Sporn and Wiggo.. and what evidence do you have to back that statement up???

Never mentioned any of those players Deano so you are the only one ranting about them.

Pagan has achieved nothing more than Brittain. As much as it pains me to say, both have been as bad as each other.
The worst part about the last 3 years is that we have ended up right back where we started plus with numerous, and I man numerousssss 100 point thumpings from every single f***ng opposition club. That is Pagan's record ........ doesn't read well, does it.

I'm sorry I forget, we are rebuilding, tanking or just plain shit though. Irrelevant wether our players are "not" having a red hot go every week.

Spot on!

Even if Bradley only earn't 100k (fantasy land price bracket for him) x 15 years - he earnt over a million - no doubt - and for him to not have the capability or willingness to part with $1000 to help the club (through the Carlton foundation) indicates clearly to me where he places the club in his list of priorities.


Players from the 80's and 70's are excused to some extent as the money they earnt wasn't as great- but for Bradley, McKay etc not to be able to put money into the Carlton foundation ...well ... it makes me sick to the stomach.


Silvagni/Sticks etc... these guys put some money back into the club when we were drowning (still are in financial terms) yet Bradley, McKay etc.. just can't afford $1000 -$10,000 of their precious money to help out the club.


Maybe they feel they gave enough... their service on the field says it all i guess.

The worst part about the last 3 years is that we have ended up right back where we started

But it's all Parkin's fault and Bradley's too.

I'm not happy with Bradley..........!


kindest regards tommi

Be carefull! He might give you a warning!

Rubbish. Our list is a shitload healthier now than it was at the end of 2002. We have moved on in leaps and bounds, even if we don't have the tangible results to prove it.

there is light at the end of the tunnel now. In 2002 there was light but it was attached to an oncoming train.

That simplification is almost as laughable as the 'it's all Pagan's fault' crap that gets spewed around.

Rubbish. Our list is a shitload healthier now than it was at the end of 2002. We have moved on in leaps and bounds, even if we don't have the tangible results to prove it.

there is light at the end of the tunnel now. In 2002 there was light but it was attached to an oncoming train.