Michael Voss senior coach since Sept 2021: Safe into 2026

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7348

... anyone see that malthouse quote on abc sport?

"Collingwood had a massive windscreen, when I went to carlton i couldn't believe how big the rear vision mirror was"

Makes it hard to progress forward when the club as a whole, is so fixated on the past.

london blue · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:08 pm **Posts:** 3276

Braithy wrote:

... anyone see that malthouse quote on abc sport?

"Collingwood had a massive windscreen, when I went to carlton i couldn't believe how big the rear vision mirror was"

Makes it hard to progress forward when the club as a whole, is so fixated on the past.

.........and I left Carlton 8 years ago!

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2443

Only thing Mick is interested in is a massive mirror.

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

Doc interviewed the other day talks about how we go to Harry and Charlie too often and how this is predictable for the opposition, and how we don't have enough speed on the ball through midfield movement.

Both coaching downfalls in my view.

bmaurizio · **Joined:** Thu May 05, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1627

Agree , Harry & Charlie are unstoppable when firing, two exceptional talents, an amazing reality, great drafting in 2015, and two exceptional 1st rounder picks , however overall drafting has been unacceptable and below standard , disconnected from our teams needs , a glaring shortfall that is causing huge problems, together with a dismal choice for head coach and footy department operators.
We’ve got to adjust fast otherwise it’s another 5/6 years down the tube.

sinbagger · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:18 am

Paddycripps wrote:

Doc interviewed the other day talks about how we go to Harry and Charlie too often and how this is predictable for the opposition, and how we don't have enough speed on the ball through midfield movement.

Both coaching downfalls in my view.

Does he know this because he has footy IQ or because the coaches are telling them this and they’ve not been able to adjust their games? Are you sure these are coaching downfalls?

If he knows this then why the hell isn’t he standing up as a leader onfield and telling his players to change in the quarter time huddles? Or as he’s talking to them on field? And why doesn’t HE change his own behaviour?

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 7668

bmaurizio wrote:

Agree , Harry & Charlie are unstoppable when firing, two exceptional talents, an amazing reality, great drafting in 2015, and two exceptional 1st rounder picks , however overall drafting has been unacceptable and below standard , disconnected from our teams needs , a glaring shortfall that is causing huge problems, together with a dismal choice for head coach and footy department operators.
We’ve got to adjust fast otherwise it’s another 5/6 years down the tube.

Yeah , i don't think ou/r recruiting has been anything special . I see a lot of one paced trundlers . No one explosive . No toughness . Austin did a lot to build the Dogs list i believe . No doubt he can see talent , BUT , the Dogs are the softest side in the comp . Soft as butter they are . Not much good having players if they aint got ticker ....................... needs to be looked at , so , i reckon you might be onto something bmauz .

GreatEx · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:03 am

Paddycripps wrote:

Doc interviewed the other day talks about how we go to Harry and Charlie too often and how this is predictable for the opposition, and how we don't have enough speed on the ball through midfield movement.

Both coaching downfalls in my view.

Or, you know, ignoring the speedster with the dynamite left foot who's tearing past your left side as you toddle on back to take your free kick.

GreatEx · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:05 am

Braithy wrote:

... anyone see that malthouse quote on abc sport?

"Collingwood had a massive windscreen, when I went to carlton i couldn't believe how big the rear vision mirror was"

Makes it hard to progress forward when the club as a whole, is so fixated on the past.

Great soundbyte Mick, kind of ironic how you steered us away from modern footy.

AIRCAV · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:06 am

Last year, the poisitve for me seemed to be the relationships Vossy was building and how the club was gelling. Its now litmus test time for Vossy. We've become a laughing stock. Players seem all over the shop. The gameplan sucks. There appears no joy or inetrest by the group. I'm happy to back Vossy because I fear we can't do yet another sacking. The players have to be made accountable.

Get the mouthgaurds out at training, or do something.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17277

AIRCAV wrote:

Get the mouthgaurds out at training, or do something.

Yep - agreed. Then pick the side as if it's about to play a final...because as far as I'm concerned - that's what a game against Essendon* is. Pressure and intensity should be through the roof. There's a few boys on the list who you just wouldn't trust going into battle with. They can't play. I think everyone knows who.

missnaut · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:58 am

AIRCAV wrote:

Last year, the poisitve for me seemed to be the relationships Vossy was building and how the club was gelling. Its now litmus test time for Vossy. We've become a laughing stock. Players seem all over the shop. The gameplan sucks. There appears no joy or inetrest by the group. I'm happy to back Vossy because I fear we can't do yet another sacking. The players have to be made accountable.

Get the mouthgaurds out at training, or do something.

Agree with everything.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:05 pm

DocSherrin III wrote:

Sacking a coach achieves nothing. It won't happen.

It does for 12 months… then nothing.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:06 pm

AIRCAV wrote:

Last year, the poisitve for me seemed to be the relationships Vossy was building and how the club was gelling. Its now litmus test time for Vossy. We've become a laughing stock. Players seem all over the shop. The gameplan sucks. There appears no joy or inetrest by the group. I'm happy to back Vossy because I fear we can't do yet another sacking. The players have to be made accountable.

Get the mouthgaurds out at training, or do something.

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

GreatEx wrote:

Paddycripps wrote:

Doc interviewed the other day talks about how we go to Harry and Charlie too often and how this is predictable for the opposition, and how we don't have enough speed on the ball through midfield movement.

Both coaching downfalls in my view.

Or, you know, ignoring the speedster with the dynamite left foot who's tearing past your left side as you toddle on back to take your free kick.

Why are they ignoring him?

He is getting attention but yes they should be deploying his talents more.

So why not have another guy playing that role, such as yourself Doc?
Isn't that what Boyd was recruited for?

Same thing can be said for the forwardline, why they keep going long all the time.
They look better when they drop their eyes and look for hit ups.

Either the coaching is poor (and I lump all the coaches into this) or the players are stupid.
Probably a com bination of the two.

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 7668

camel wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

Sacking a coach achieves nothing. It won't happen.

It does for 12 months… then nothing.

And not sacking a coach if he is a dud achieves even less .

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

Mickstar wrote:

camel wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

Sacking a coach achieves nothing. It won't happen.

It does for 12 months… then nothing.

And not sacking a coach if he is a dud achieves even less .

FarmerBlue · **Joined:** Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:10 am **Posts:** 1495

camel wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

Sacking a coach achieves nothing. It won't happen.

It does for 12 months… then nothing.

I don't want to sack another coach.

What I do want to happen (and hope is) is that Cook is going over everything and identifying weaknesses and starting to put in place the right people. What is important is that Voss & Cook recognise is strength and weaknesses and support him with the right learnings and people. Much like Gale did with Hardwick. Voss needs to buy into this

The also with other areas like Head of Footy, Development etc

We have improved so much over the last 5-6 years especially off field. We are now strong and don't rely on Benefactors

I think at the end of the year will be a "refresh" of the List and some Football/Coaching staff and we can be a finals side in 2024. The core is there

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:06 pm

Mickstar wrote:

camel wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

Sacking a coach achieves nothing. It won't happen.

It does for 12 months… then nothing.

And not sacking a coach if he is a dud achieves even less .

Well, we don't know that yet. We've not let anyone stay on long enough to find out! :lol:

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

FarmerBlue wrote:

camel wrote:

DocSherrin III wrote:

Sacking a coach achieves nothing. It won't happen.

It does for 12 months… then nothing.

I don't want to sack another coach.

What I do want to happen (and hope is) is that Cook is going over everything and identifying weaknesses and starting to put in place the right people. What is important is that Voss & Cook recognise is strength and weaknesses and support him with the right learnings and people. Much like Gale did with Hardwick. Voss needs to buy into this

The also with other areas like Head of Footy, Development etc

We have improved so much over the last 5-6 years especially off field. We are now strong and don't rely on Benefactors

I think at the end of the year will be a "refresh" of the List and some Football/Coaching staff and we can be a finals side in 2024. The core is there

In your view, what does a refreshed list look like?

I think most of us can name the 5-6 (or more) that will be gone, but the question is, other than our draft pick(s), where do we pluck players that are any better than what we've already got? State leagues? Trade in discards? Beg for Holman, Tuohey, Setterfield to come back and heck even Casboult for ruck duties...?

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