You were there? You know for an undisputed fact that it was Pagan who started the contract re-negotiations, not the Board?



The player revolt is a circular argument. It could be that the captain at the time didn't respect Pagan, which led in turn to him feeling that Pagan treated him like shit...etc etc etc etc ad nauseam.

You're still firing blanks, Game.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Most contract negotiations start when the existing contract is nearly up.

Carlton offered more money for less work and he jumped ship.

Parkin never disrespected Carlton legends.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Like telling a young Greg Williams he was too short, too slow, etc?

OK, different circumstances......

I think you'd find that Parkin probably did, it just didn't become as public.

IIRC, Harry Madden was brushed off pretty quick in favour of Matty Allan. Harry retired, IIRC, when he saw the writing on the wall in terms of the Club's preference for Allan over him. Mid-season retirement.....pretty ordinary way to go, don't you think? No end of year celebration?

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Who loved Britts? ....the players? who says?....certainly not the supporters or the Committee.

Brittain's style of ring a ring a rosy possessions and keepings off was exasperating and physically demanding on the players.

Why are we still debating this? ....and what does it achieve? ....will it ever stop?

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

Stephen Kernahan said Pagan approached the board.

Madden knew it was time to go, there was no animosity between Parko and Harry.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

So you don't have a name that is more qualified?

Less work?

He'd be doing more work than most AFL coaches given our circumstances and is earning every cent.

What exactly did he do to Ratten that was so bad? Camporeale isn't a legend.

Don't like it don't read it. You've heard that before Warby.

It is obvious to everyone by now what the content in this thread is.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

That was then this is now.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

You tell me. You apparently know it all.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

How do you know this? Harry would never say it publicly, he's far too nice a guy. And, yes, I do know him. Even allllll the way from Sydney.

He was given a shove, no doubt.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

As I remember being stated in articles at the time, North were trying to retain him for a similar amount to what Carlton were offering, the difference being that some of the money was to come from writing newspaper articles.

$x for full time coaching, or $x for full time coaching plus writing newspaper articles? Tough decision.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Then you would know Parkin was close with Madden. It is not like he walked into the club and said Harry it's my way or f#$% off.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Yeah thats right but he was never gonna do the articles, corporate speaking etc. so he left for the money at the end of the day.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

It's pathetic Game how any story that's vaguely connected even obliquely to coaching at any club, gives you an opportunity to attack Pagan.

And please don't tell me as you do that I don't have to read your posts; it's just that we posters with an open mind get sucked in by your negativity and end up in an argument which you seem to revel in promoting.

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

I didn't say that. And you know undisputedly that's what Pagan said privately to the players? Before any talk of player discontent?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

I see it more as taking the job with better conditions for a similar salary.
He's employed as a coach, but North wanted him to do a bunch of ancillary things to earn his money. He made the sensible choice, and one that almost every one of us would probably make given similar circumstances.

Even if he left purely for more money, it's hardly setting a precedent for an employee to be headhunted by a competitor with the lure of more money. It's how I come to be in my current employment.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

I thought it was pathetic last year all the threads and people here saying they were hoping we would lose but I just stayed out of it.
I don't like it when supporters bag club champions but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The personal obuse directed at Campo and Lance here is far worse than anything I have ever said about Pagan.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

A weak effort to take a shot at Denis via Ratten and not back it up.

Poor recollection KK.
Justin Madden should have retired the year before.
John Elliott admitted that Madden was retained on the list to reward his "service to the club"

Madden did Jack Shit the year he retired and was only talked into retiring so Mark Porter could be added to the senior list.
Matt Allan was struggling with injuries and Madden was well past senior football, leaving the club without a ruckman.

I only recall this because Madden then had the hide to threaten the club with a long service claim after they'd looked after the parasite so well.

Mind you, I'm not saying this to defend any coaches, only to set the record straight.
No doubt Parkin axed as many players as Pagan has.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

OK, I stand corrected.

Like I said, I went off my recollections of the year.

Thanks for putting it straight, BV.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.