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bondiblue
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:06 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
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PercyJones wrote:
yep, JSOS and Harry in for Pitto and Ed. Fogs/Cotterell to sub role. I'm comfortable with Jack being second ruck against teams where they dont have a second recognised ruck. Suns will run Levi as the second ruck and I think Jack can be competitive against him. Ditto for GWS.



201 cm 101 kgs vs 194cm 92 kgs. Levi will eat Jack alive, and Levi is a recognised ruckman.

I'm uncomfortable we put Jack in that situation TBH.


Jack has been going up against ruckmen Levi’s size for years and holding his own. All he has to do is compete in the air and nullify the opposing ruckman, then we have a huge advantage at ground level


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I dont agree in this case, and there's plenty of other rucks I wouldn't like to put Silvagni against.

I actually don't really care who rucks anymore TBH, but if I can give our mids a leg up with one or the other, that counts in a game of inches in Finals.

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Paddycripps
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:08 pm 
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No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:56 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.
Just out of interest would you want Charlie rucking.
If the answer is No then you might have to rethink the thought of Harry.

They both essentially play similar positions

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sinbagger
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.
Just out of interest would you want Charlie rucking.
If the answer is No then you might have to rethink the thought of Harry.

They both essentially play similar positions

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Charlie’s not even as tall as Cripps, Harry’s height makes him a natural choice as second ruck.
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We’ve had 7-8 interchanges up our sleeves for most of the last couple of months. An extra tall in the forward line won’t upset the apple cart.

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Paddycripps wrote:
No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.


Harry actually was doing the rucking in the forward fifty prior to his injury .

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sinbagger
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Mickstar wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.


Harry actually was doing the rucking in the forward fifty prior to his injury .


Exactly, there’s no reason we couldn’t have TDK on the ball all day, and when he has a break Harry takes the fwd 50 work whilst Cripps takes the defensive 50 work.
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carntheblues
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sinbagger wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.


Harry actually was doing the rucking in the forward fifty prior to his injury .


Exactly, there’s no reason we couldn’t have TDK on the ball all day, and when he has a break Harry takes the fwd 50 work whilst Cripps takes the defensive 50 work.



And who takes the centre bounce?
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SurreyBlue
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If we want to stop the triple teaming of our one key forward and more importantly get our attack back to it's most potent - Harry comes in. I have no doubt he will be back asap.
The decision will be whether he replaces Cottrell or Motlop in the 22. I suspect it will be Cottrell.
The major decision however will be, who JSoS replaces? Is it Pittonet or the other above mentioned. It would be terrible to lose Motlop, as he does provide a real spark but IMO Pitto isn't fit and JSoS is just such a key player for us!!!
It's getting very tight for spots.
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sinbagger
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carntheblues wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.


Harry actually was doing the rucking in the forward fifty prior to his injury .


Exactly, there’s no reason we couldn’t have TDK on the ball all day, and when he has a break Harry takes the fwd 50 work whilst Cripps takes the defensive 50 work.



And who takes the centre bounce?


Cripps or Acres.
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17th Premiership
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:34 pm 
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As players become available in the coming weeks…:

McKay for Cottrell
Walsh for Ed
Cerra for Dow
McGovern for Marchbank
JSOS for Pitto
Kennedy for Fogarty
Boyd for Fisher or Cincotta

Fog, Motlop, Cunningham, Fisher, Cincotta, Cottrell, Kennedy, Boyd fighting for four spots I think.

Assuming no more injuries which is unlikely.


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17th Premiership wrote:
As players become available in the coming weeks…:

McKay for Cottrell
Walsh for Ed
Cerra for Dow
McGovern for Marchbank
JSOS for Pitto
Kennedy for Fogarty
Boyd for Fisher or Cincotta

Fog, Motlop, Cunningham, Fisher, Cincotta, Cottrell, Kennedy, Boyd fighting for four spots I think.

Assuming no more injuries which is unlikely.


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Just about nailed it - my guess is:
McKay for Cottrell
Walsh for Ed
Cerra for Dow (sub in best side)
McGovern for Cincotta
JSOS for Pitto
Kennedy for Fogarty
Fisher has earned his spot - so far. Needs to keep performing but that goes for ALL.
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CK95
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I can't picture our best side without Fogarty in it, reckon he's been integral. I think I'd actually drop Cuningham or Motlop before him.

As has been said, it's a nice problem to have. But this is us we're talking about, & it's going to be a moot point anyway with more injuries inevitable :grin:

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jake_h03
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SurreyBlue wrote:
If we want to stop the triple teaming of our one key forward and more importantly get our attack back to it's most potent - Harry comes in. I have no doubt he will be back asap.
The decision will be whether he replaces Cottrell or Motlop in the 22. I suspect it will be Cottrell.
The major decision however will be, who JSoS replaces? Is it Pittonet or the other above mentioned. It would be terrible to lose Motlop, as he does provide a real spark but IMO Pitto isn't fit and JSoS is just such a key player for us!!!
It's getting very tight for spots.


Harry for Cottrell or Motlop (or Cuningham or Fogarty or Owies) makes us significantly less mobile and weaker at ground level. JSOS in for Pitto evens it out and gives us some extra forward pressure back.

I loathe the thought of Charlie, Harry, and one of TDK/Pitto in the forward line at the same time, which we will be forced into if JSOS doesn't replace Pitto

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sinbagger wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.


Harry actually was doing the rucking in the forward fifty prior to his injury .


Exactly, there’s no reason we couldn’t have TDK on the ball all day, and when he has a break Harry takes the fwd 50 work whilst Cripps takes the defensive 50 work.



And who takes the centre bounce?


Cripps or Acres.


So to confirm, you want to take our best clearance player (by a long way) and get him to do the centre square and back line ruck work?
So that a 200cm+ forward who cant kick for shit doesn't have to relieve ruck? If Harry wants a game, it should be at the expense of Pitto. TDK takes 70% ruck work, Harry 30%.

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Pressure Rating with vs without Harry McKay during the 8 game win streak:

WITH: 195
WITHOUT: 187
DIFFERENCE: +8 WITH HARRY

Not only that, 3 of Carlton's 4 highest pressure games during the streak were WITH Harry McKay.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Pressure Rating with vs without Harry McKay during the 8 game win streak:

WITH: 195
WITHOUT: 187
DIFFERENCE: +8 WITH HARRY

Not only that, 3 of Carlton's 4 highest pressure games during the streak were WITH Harry McKay.


Interesting... But let me guess, those games were with JSOS as the second ruck and not Pitto. Correct?

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Not only that, 3 of Carlton's 4 highest pressure games during the streak were WITH Harry McKay.




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sinbagger wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
No to Jack rucking.

Either play 2 proper rucks or Harry needs to learn to ruck.
Just out of interest would you want Charlie rucking.
If the answer is No then you might have to rethink the thought of Harry.

They both essentially play similar positions

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Charlie’s not even as tall as Cripps, Harry’s height makes him a natural choice as second ruck.


I would love to see Harry play the same role as Joe Daniher. Would do him wonders

Seeing TDK as Ruck supported by both Jack & Harry would give us great balance and options through the middle and forward
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azzablue
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bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Big couple of weeks in the reserves ahead, Gold Coast doing well in the VFL, then fairly likely we'll make the wildcard round. Hopefully another win to get a game into Harry, JSOS, whoever needs it ahead of an elimination final.


Yes , exactly Rod . We don't want blokes coming in stone cold . They need to clock up some K's .


All we have to do is keep bringing the same game and intent every game, and our depth players covering the 6 out, along with our Reserves team are playing the same tune.

I think we pick the best available, and we win.

If we add a 3 players to get a couple games into them before Elimination Final, we should.
Treat the games as practise games with intent to keep winning, and holding a spot in this Finals team.

If Hewett and Kennedy are available and fit in a Final, I'd play them both. Made for Finals footy.
As long as they bring the same intent as the team, and Hewett is leading the way.

Pittonet did a lot of grunt work that goes unnoticed. Gawn didn't star, nor did he win the game for the Dees. Pitto did his job. So did the mids.


Glad someone else noticed Pitto's invaluable grunt work . The discerning eye of Bondi notice's these things .


Did you see the embrace displayed between TDK & Pitto on the ground after the siren, as acknowledgement for a job well done.

Pitto didnt mark, but Gawn 's marking wasn't a feature of the game either. There's good reason for that.

I know the argument against Pitto, but judging him poorly to expedite Silvagni's spot in the 22, isnt the way Vossy goes about it.

Incumbents spot to lose. Although, Harry Walsh and Gov should walk right in, even if it means my boy Marchy loses he's spot.

Marchy at least is primed to play Finals with exposure to a Finals game and playing well within a defensive machine. Silvagni is in the same boat imo; primed for Finals when called on.


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mckay
cerra
walsh
mcgovern

jsos , boyd , kennedy have to wait

wow depth who would of thought this a decade ago or 5 years for that matter or 3 years or ......

some unlucky boys coming up

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