Let me know when you've listed your jousting sticks in the Trading Post.

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I know there are lots of different ways you can win. But I think last week's prelim and the grand final today confirmed that it's a lot easier with pacy goalkicking small or medium forwards.

I think Owies and Motlop had better years than expected, and Motlop still has plenty of development left. I think we missed Durdin. And it was obviously great to have Martin and Cuningham back for the last third of the season. But it's an area we're considerably behind the best teams. Hope we pick up an athlete dynamic medium forward in the draft (as well as Elijah Holland during trade period).

Too right.

McCreery reminds me of Dennis Armfield. He’s not as quick as Dangles was, but in concert with Hill, Elliott & Ginnivan… it just triggered a few memories.

We’re a different outfit to that now, but if we could just add that one bloke that can blow past defenders on a whim… look out!

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Zac Williams?

I'm asking because I genuinely have no idea, I can't remember how quick he is. I know he doesn't have a great tank, which we found out from the midfield experiment, but is his burst speed good enough to blow by defenders if he plays as a forward?

He wouldn't hurt our inside 50 delivery either.

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I’ll just leave this here for posters that continuously want to throw mud at me and I only went to last year’s trade period.

Fisher = 107 games.
Dow = 73 games (last 2 under Voss being limited)

Some 22 trades:
Collingwood Hill (40 games in 4 years) - R2 pick to GWS
Gold Coast Berry (20 games in 4 years) - R2 pick (25) & Updgrade of R3 to Brisbane
Geelong Bruhn (30 games in 2 years) - R1 pick 18 to GWS.
GWS Bedford (18 games in 4 years) - pick 44 to Melbourne
Essendon* Setterfield (55 games in 4 years) - R4 pick swap

My take on Fish and Dow.
Fish is still under contract, we hold the upper hand. Norf offering a long term deal and a fair bit of coin.
We absolutely need to demand one of their charity picks in return. If they don't cough that up, we hold him to his contract. I wouldn't be totally opposed if we gave a later pick back but one of those charity picks is a non-negotiable.
He may not be automatic selection for us and yes he frustrates us at times, but we can't just throw away all our depth.
Dow on the other hand is out of contract and clearly not rated by Voss and MC. Personally, I've never been a massive fan myself.
I certainly wouldn't do and would be mega pissed if we did a Setterfield deal with him. I reckon we should at least get a 3rd rounder for him.

What are you trying to show here?

All I see is a list of guys with less exposure than Fisher & Dow - and one odd duck that was moving to his third team.

Setterfield played 55 games for us. The price that we paid to get him out of GWS would at least be comparable to the other four examples… but none of them are relatable to a deal for Fisher or Dow.

Of course, you’re welcome to shout at as many clouds as you like…

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Cincotta was a real surprise this year. But it should make a real difference having Williams back rebounding out of defence. Even if we need to use one of Williams or Saad to lockdown someone super dangerous, it would still mean we have someone who can really help us with our defensive rebound. Looking forward to seeing Saad, Williams and Boyd playing together.

One poster asked me to show him relevant trades - i did that.
I will let it be here as sometimes it's not worth getting worked up and certainty have learnt over time to let the trolls be.
Simple as now illustration we haven't been very good at this new game. I've said my peace.

Anyhow , the two ruckman debate is alive and well after the great showing of Cox and Cameron yesterday . They completely nullified big Oscars influence which in turn nullified there midfield . Neale and McCluggage were starved of opportunities and were just OK . I would be persisting with Pitto and TDK after what i witnessed yesterday coz there is no doubt the Cox/Cameron duo won the Pies the Flag .

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I’m not sure of your point here given Oscar spanked our TDK/Pitto duo last week.

Point is they gotta try harder .................. and two onto one works .

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25-30 for Fish, 35-40 for Dow is a realistic expectation. Given our current picks, delistings and retirements already, happy to keep both and play hard ball if needed

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30 plus Fish
40 plus Dow

Anything more would be a bonus

Dow does not stay on ground long enough and to have career average of 13.9 disposals doesn't cut it for a midfielder.

Fish is one sided and shits his pants .
Him and Obrien would rather hand it over to opposition than take body contact.

Good luck to them but we need better

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Surrey Blue is the only person who doesn't realise that you don't get 1st rd picks for blokes not in your best 22 (or even best 26 in our case). We might get something decent for Fischer as he is contracted, maybe a 30-40. But Dow is going for peanuts.

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ABNS - Herald Sun saying we have to pay LOB Out. Stupid to give him two years, but smart to cut our losses now.

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I agree with Surrey.

As I have said elsewhere Brissie needs to lift their running game.

End of 1st and 2nd rounds for Dow and Fisher.

If we have a good salesman it would help.

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I agree with Mickstar re 2 rucks.

The point is we need 2 rucks to win or nullify the position, and not be dominated. However, we may need better rucks than we have, and SOS is not the answer imo.

In our Prelim Final v Lions, Oscar cut loose in 2 periods. He did not dominate our rucks for the whole game imo.

Go to first quarter to see what influence Oscar had. Zilch.
Go to 2nd quarter and Oscar cut loose in the first half of that quarter. Ditto the 3rd for the first half of that quarter.

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So, what you seem to be saying is that a very good single ruckman can win games against two rucks unless it is two very good rucks he is against? So it all depends on the quality of the rucks, not the quantity?

True. A Baptism of fire.
Fisher was drafted in 2016, Dow 2017.

Since their selection in 2016 they were on our best 22 when our ladder position was 15, 18, 16, 11, 13, 9, 5.

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