Hamill's career was not too bad early, Star Wars Episodes 4, 5 & 6, but without the influence of a decent director and poor picture choices has fallen to the oblivion - can't even crack the US Dinner Theatre Circuit.

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Hamill claimed he was leaving because Elliott upset him but IIRC he was off to Sydney until the Saints trumped their offer.
If you're chasing money at least be man enough to admit it.


Campo I'm not so disappointed in. His career is almost over and his best is definitely behind him. The Bombers are welcome to him.

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Whateva the reasons for Hamill leaving it hurt us on the field...he is a powerful player with leadership qualities and losing him has affected our list. Its been annoying watching Hamill develop at Stkilda and then seeing him become their unofficial captain also iritated me when we are crying out for a strong leader.
I know my old pal Frankie Dardew blows a gasket at the mention of Hamills name but he is exactly what we are missing and I think his greatest asset is he allows other players to be better players..Whitnall has suffered without Hamill and had his weak areas exploited yet players like Gehrig , Kosi, Milne and Reiwoldt luv having Hamill as the workhorse forward who chases, tackles and provides a contest and off course is a physical threat to other players by cleaning a few up....

If it was going to help win Carlton FC a premeirship I would entertain having Hamill back....I'll wait for the incoming...

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Agree with general sentiments here…Hamill leaving hurt & I'll always be pissed off about it. Recall coming home from the footy one day in 98 & saying to a mate we have a 10 year player in Aaron. To rub salt further into the wound my physio in late 2000 was the Saints club physio & used to give me shit about it (while torturing my shoulder). (He also used to brag that Blight was the messiah ) Anyway I can't stand Hamill now - even the suckey way he talks to the media shits me - you can tell he's just a dumbass trying to cover it.

Wasn't too fussed about Campo as he's 30 & has lost his pace anyway. In all honesty I think he'll do OK at Ess without dominating.

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A player, who wanted to sign a new contract mid-season but was told to wait till season's end, gets made an offer he couldn't refuse to play elsewhere and Blues fans are up in arms over it. For flowers sake, we are talking about professional footballers, it's their livelihood, they have to make decisions about their future security and wellbeing based on what is best for them, not the club.

If the Blues had any business savvy at the time (ie. mid-season), they would have had him locked away at a far more competitive pricing structure. They left the door open and the Saints walked in, threw a big cheque at him and he accepted it. Gee, I seem to recall another club using the same tactics to lure over the best players in the league some years back - short memories anyone ??

It's not like the club's are loyal to them either, they can be traded away at the drop of a hat if the deal is good enough yet we as supporters expect unconditional loyalty in return. Why is Hamill being contantly crucified for changing clubs. He would have been judged as severely braindead if he had of knocked back the Saints offer, it has set him & his family up for the rest of their natural days. Besides, who's to say that him (or any player for that matter) couldn't be ruled out of playing due to a crippling career ending injury and therefore not being able to make that sort of cash.

How many of you people here would decide to stay with your current employer if a competitor offered you an alternative position with a 50K payrise ?? Anyone who says they wouldn't move is either full of shit or lying out of their arse.

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Hamill supported Carlton before he played for us. 200k extra per year would sway anyone.

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Carlton have had many players who have been offered bigger money at other clubs over many decades, very few have left for money.

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Can anyone here honestly name one player within the AFL system that has or would knock back an offer of an extra 200K per annum on their current package ??

Get off Hamill's back, sure it pisses people off that he left but he had no choice in the matter !!

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What's bigger ? 50K, 60K ???

I bet it wasn't 200K !!

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Who knows, 50k 20 years ago is completely different to 50k now, your 200K argument is flawed. You are comparing apples with oranges.

I think Kosi stayed at St Kilda for a lot less than he was being offered by other clubs, he is not the only one.

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No, @#$%&! him.
He had a choice.


Who are you to tell me who I should like anyway?

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I don't agree with you Sheik....you can't compare playing in an AFL team to working for a Company.

In a company in your strictly hypothetical, of course you'd go for money.

Wayne Johnston was offered the Collingwood grandstand to go but wouldn't leave Carlton.

And there's the difference between him and Hamill.

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Of course a footy fan has the right to turn against a former player. It's the ature of the footy fan. Our team is the only one! The righteous one!

I only have a problem when these so-called mature adults start behaving worse than children. That's when it gets tragic.

Shocking aren't they Mrs C.

I didn't like the way Hamill left but there is a big diff between 300k and 500k. Most players would have left. Braddles would of, SOS would of.
Surely he doesn't qualify for Milburn like hatred.

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Why can't you compare ?? Playing football in the AFL is a full-time job, just like you and everyone does their bit from 9-5.

If Johnston didn't go, then the offer wasn't good enough. The facts of the matter is that EVERYONE has a price, once that is reached, there's no looking back.

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Rightio, you are trying to tell me that Kosi, who was reportedly on a fair package already, knocked back offers of around 200K more per annum did he ??

Yeah, sure he would ..........

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Easily the best post on this subject. Added to that, Elliott screwed up the whole negotiation process. At the time, the powers that be ranked Hamill as the 8th most talented player in our club, but they didn't think about his value in team structural terms.

Hamill was offered double what we were prepared to give, and the club wouldn't budge. When you recall that Koutoufides and others were getting extraordinary handouts at the time, it's little wonder Hamill was disappointed.

Family security will always be more important than anything else, and Hamill recognized that.

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