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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:05 pm 
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There are numerous people within the AFL community who specialise in kicking techniques. The key is to get "buy in" from the player. Most behaviours unfortunately are from when the players were very young and are extremely difficult to change. They're from when the hand/eye co-ordination isn't developed or kids are trying to handle footballs that are a miss match to their hand size.
Harry has made changes to his technique. His head falls away from being over the ball when he makes contact which makes his kicking inconsistent but I noticed an occasional attempt to stay more upright in his set shots later in the season. It will take time. Sometimes it frazzles the player and becomes paralysis by analysis.
Hopefully Harry is working on it over the off season. If he is willing to change, there are plenty of experts who can help. He has a few months to bed it in.


I don’t disagree with any of that BV but every single player on the list should have a very specific routine for kicking for goal.

Make that routines.

Different set shot routines depending on their strengths and weaknesses in different areas from goal.

And they should be made to walk naked through something or other if they break from those routines.

It’s in their job description.

It’s in their contracts.

Some of my favourite players of all time were free-wheelers like Wayne Johnston who were up and down at times but when they were on… they were ON!

But when it comes to kicking for goal I’d be very happy with a list of pre-programmed robots thank you very much. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:19 pm 
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Routines are only good if you have the right technique and feel to begin with.
You see weekend golfers go through set shot Routine and hit shit shot after shit shot because of over thinking and wrong technique to start with.
Sort the kick technique/ action out first build confidence in that then maybe develop a Routine.

But ultimately it is what feels right

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:39 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Best people in the world to teach set shot routines are golfing coaches.
Line yourself up.
Swing/Walk down the line.
Watch the ball to your club/foot.
Only look up once the ball has left your club/foot and you have completed the swing/kick.
And always remember, the body follows the head.


Yeah , sorta . Had a few golf lessons back in the day . Worked really well and i was smashing the ball . Of course that was on the driving range . Come competition day when the pressure was on and the demons were running around my head it was different . You know , duck hooks , three putting from ten foot etc etc . I dont reckon its technique , i reckon its the pressure of the occasion .

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:54 pm 
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Lace Out wrote:
You forgot one of the most important things, balance.

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Defiantly, that's why the body follows the head.
When you turn your head, you turn your body and ultimately shift your balance.
Very important to know when you are wakeboarding and snowboarding.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:19 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Best people in the world to teach set shot routines are golfing coaches.
Line yourself up.
Swing/Walk down the line.
Watch the ball to your club/foot.
Only look up once the ball has left your club/foot and you have completed the swing/kick.
And always remember, the body follows the head.


Yeah , sorta . Had a few golf lessons back in the day . Worked really well and i was smashing the ball . Of course that was on the driving range . Come competition day when the pressure was on and the demons were running around my head it was different . You know , duck hooks , three putting from ten foot etc etc . I dont reckon its technique , i reckon its the pressure of the occasion .


That's no good.
A good set shot routine is supposed to realign your focus and concentrate on technique so you block out that pressure.
Easier said than done though.
I don't disagree that the pressure of missing shots is getting to him and most of it would be in his head.
But he also has a few technique flaws as well.
You can see a lot of players are going to miss their shots in their run ups, Harry is no different.

If Tiger Woods can reengineer his golf swing in an off season, I'm pretty sure Harry could too.
The question is how bad he wants to.
His narrative at the moment is mental defeat when he misses, he needs to find something positive that drives him instead.
He should watch "The last Dance" and get some inspiration for mental toughness from the best athlete in the world that does this.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:43 pm 
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Yep , Tiger Woods thrived under extreme pressure for sure . The other example of course is Greg Norman who was brilliant beyond belief but on the biggest occasions in the majors just couldn't reproduce that brilliance when it was needed the most . Was it the pressure of the occasion or technique ?

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Ten-pin bowling has a delivery stride, a ball drop and not a single golfer in sight.

Deadset, worse than vegan triathletes.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:47 am 
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GWS wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
There are numerous people within the AFL community who specialise in kicking techniques. The key is to get "buy in" from the player. Most behaviours unfortunately are from when the players were very young and are extremely difficult to change. They're from when the hand/eye co-ordination isn't developed or kids are trying to handle footballs that are a miss match to their hand size.
Harry has made changes to his technique. His head falls away from being over the ball when he makes contact which makes his kicking inconsistent but I noticed an occasional attempt to stay more upright in his set shots later in the season. It will take time. Sometimes it frazzles the player and becomes paralysis by analysis.
Hopefully Harry is working on it over the off season. If he is willing to change, there are plenty of experts who can help. He has a few months to bed it in.


I don’t disagree with any of that BV but every single player on the list should have a very specific routine for kicking for goal.

Make that routines.

Different set shot routines depending on their strengths and weaknesses in different areas from goal.



Yep, agree completely. My point (probably poorly made) is that there are plenty of people in the industry with the skills to help. But firstly the player has to "buy into" change. And accept that it could be a long process. A routine would be an integral part of that.
Sadly a lot of the problem is a by-product of junior coaching. Plus players are not physically developed enough to acquire the skills. IMHO, it's why the Irish are generally excellent kicks. When they learn to kick the ball, their hand/eye co-ordination is already highly developed and they have the physical size/strength to handle the ball.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:28 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Lace Out wrote:
You forgot one of the most important things, balance.

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Defiantly, that's why the body follows the head.
When you turn your head, you turn your body and ultimately shift your balance.
Very important to know when you are wakeboarding and snowboarding.



I like the point you make about the head movement and its relevance to kicking.

Same with Snow boarding compared to skiing. Move the head and the hips and therefore the body follows.

Ditto knee boarding compared to stand up surfing.

I agree with Sydney Blue, that the technique must be set up first and get a feel for what works for the individual, then repitition follows. Repeat proper process....over and over...the mother of learning.

Funny how some kids just get it from the get go regardless of size of the ball. They're called naturals. So there must be naturals. I thought Harry was one of those when he was first recruited...just kept on slotting it from different angles and distances...then what happened?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:29 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Ten-pin bowling has a delivery stride, a ball drop and not a single golfer in sight.

Deadset, worse than vegan triathletes.



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:45 am 
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BONDEEE….

where ya been brother…MIA…?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:30 am 
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BONDEEE….

where ya been brother…MIA…?


kindest regards tommi


I'm still on a high after our 2023 season.
If we won the Flag I'd be in 7th Heaven, and really be MIA, so I pretended to be.

Have been in Melbourne for a funeral.
Thought I'd stay and do some improvements on a pad there.

Back in Sydney this weekend. High on life and extra curricula activities.
I keep looking at the list and pinch myself. The list is hot, and the time for success is NOW.

I've enjoyed reading TC, haven't had much to add, whilst the usual culprits have it out with someone else. Plus I hate posting on my phone.

Can't wait for this summer. Can't wait for Preseason praccy games and training: I will be there.

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THAT’S the ticket…

fire up brother…!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:08 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Best people in the world to teach set shot routines are golfing coaches.
Line yourself up.
Swing/Walk down the line.
Watch the ball to your club/foot.
Only look up once the ball has left your club/foot and you have completed the swing/kick.
And always remember, the body follows the head.


Yeah , sorta . Had a few golf lessons back in the day . Worked really well and i was smashing the ball . Of course that was on the driving range . Come competition day when the pressure was on and the demons were running around my head it was different . You know , duck hooks , three putting from ten foot etc etc . I dont reckon its technique , i reckon its the pressure of the occasion .


I haven't played golf for a decade, but I found video taping my swing was a big help. Maybe doing that on game day would help identify what part of your mechanics was going awry.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:59 am 
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VFL newshound, Paul Amy, has posted on X that Tom Langford has accepted a job as Senior Assistant to Luke Power.

Played with Norwood, North Adelaide & Port Melbourne amongst others & has coached just about everywhere. No idea if he’s got any flags behind him.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:49 pm 
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I like Ash Hansen, but the more he speaks the more obvious the reasons why he’s not a senior coach.

When rhetoric becomes your ‘brand’, you’re out of the running.

The guy is as bland as the underside of a Sao.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:17 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
VFL newshound, Paul Amy, has posted on X that Tom Langford has accepted a job as Senior Assistant to Luke Power.

Played with Norwood, North Adelaide & Port Melbourne amongst others & has coached just about everywhere. No idea if he’s got any flags behind him.


Good call Cru

Also played Richmond VFL.

Was Premiership coach of Waverly Blues who play in .....cop this.. Black red and white jumpers ...vomit...but use to play in a Navy Blue with similar white monogram to ours, back in the day, till they were part of the merger between Mt Waverly and Burwood football clubs in the mid 90's.

This will fill in a few gaps...


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OUTGOING Waverley Blues mentor Tom Langford has his sights set on higher coaching opportunities after stepping down from his post of four years.

The playing-coach informed the Blues’ hierarchy last week of his decision to call time in order to pursue his career aspirations.

Langford took over at the Blues’ helm following the 2019 season, lifting the club to the Eastern league Division 3 flag in 2022 – its first senior premiership since 2008.

The former Port Melbourne and Richmond VFL player declared he was “ready” for the challenge of a higher coaching role.


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“It’s always been a goal of mine to be a professional coach … when I made the decision to take on the job at Waverley four years ago now, that was very much on my radar,” Langford said.

“I’m throwing my hat in the ring for a couple of different AFL jobs, and also some VFL and Coates Talent League (senior) roles, so I guess essentially, full-time professional with the goal of step by step, taking it to the very top.

“I was an assistant for three years under Craig McRae at Richmond VFL … the experiences I’ve gained at Waverley and the success we’ve had was definitely to help me lead a team and I think I’m definitely ready for that.”


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The 36-year-old highlighted current Collingwood coach McRae’s influence on his career.

“Much of my philosophy and the way I approach training and relationship-building has come directly from him – I was lucky enough to captain underneath him, then coach underneath him,” Langford said.


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The Blues went on a club-record 20-game winning streak under Langford’s tutelage – losing just one match on the way to the 2022 flag.

The club went more than a year without a loss – from Round 1, 2022 to Round 3, 2023 – before playing finals again this season in a higher division.

Despite lifting a cup, the outgoing coach said he was most proud of the “journey as a whole” during his time at the Blues, which included significant growth in senior and junior ranks.

“Whilst it was always hopefully a stepping stone for me, I wanted to absolutely leave my mark on a club by leaving it in a better position than what I found it, and I’m really proud that we’ve been able to do that.”


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/localfooty/efl/efnl-2023-waverley-blues-coach-tom-langford-steps-down-in-pursuit-of-next-opportunity/news-story/fa31635b18a2512bddc23cde95f0fcc0

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:18 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
I like Ash Hansen, but the more he speaks the more obvious the reasons why he’s not a senior coach.

When rhetoric becomes your ‘brand’, you’re out of the running.

The guy is as bland as the underside of a Sao.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:15 pm 
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camel wrote:


https://twitter.com/ClarkyHeraldSun/sta ... 0471339008

Is it us?!

No, it's the Melbourne Storm, apparently.

Return to sender. :lol: :lol:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/08/joel-selwood-returns-to-geelong-in-new-role/

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Geelong premiership captain Joel Selwood is set to return to Kardinia Park in a new role.

After a 16-season playing career, Selwood will now move into a part-time off-field role that will see him work across multiple departments as an ambassador and connector of club stakeholders.

When all else fails, try osmosis.

Now he’s off to AFL HQ.

Must reeeeally want to work for Essendon*.

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Cazzesman wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
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Carlton has poached Jordan Russell from North Melbourne. Russell will work as the forwards coach at Carlton, freeing up Ash Hansen to operate solely as a senior assistant in the coaches box as support for Voss who likes to operate from the bench.


What has he achieved at North in his time there? Their win-loss record recently is Bolton-esque. Sounds like a dud appointment.


Fairdinkum what is the point of that post. FFS why do you feel the need to trash the appointment?

Are you hating on Jordan, Carlton FC, Vossy or Cook for the appointment. Tell us all about what you know of Jordan's Coaching career.

It would seem he worked at Footscray when Hansen was still there, so I guess he recommended him. Maybe your hate is on Hansen.

Regards Cazzesman


Looking at his Linkedin profile it says he's been an assistant at North since the end of 2020.

North Melbourne's Win-loss record in the past 3 seasons is 9-1-57.

A win rate of 13%.

Excuse me for being a little bit concerned that we're recruiting from an environment which hasn't been a high performance one.


Bump.

Our forwards coach has no clue. I got smashed for questioning why we poached someone from friggin Norf!


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