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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:24 pm 
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Fremantle defender Jordan Clark was penalised for dissent against Carlton after using the expression “f***ing idiot” but has told the club he was berating himself for allowing opponent Matthew Cottrell to mark.


Yeah sure :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:26 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
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But for an umpiring decision that should have been play on,


Long bow Doc, if you are referring to the Cottrell mark/goal. Freo isn't saying that Fyfe touched the ball, they are saying it flicked Ash's hair on the way past. Tough to get a definitive call on that.

Yes to all of the rest. :thumbsup:


Massive deflection off of Aish's arm. Not a little snicko. It's ending up at second slip. The footage is out there. Four umpires and they all miss it? The game is a farce.


If it was called play in then Cotterel would have been tackled and a ball up would have been taken at the top of our goal square. Likely Cripps would have willed the team to a goal at that stoppage anyway.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:27 pm 
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Swings and round abouts - Wiggins touched Riccardii’s kick - so I say @#$%&! em!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:10 pm 
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oh for flowers sake there have always been touched/not touched etc moments - to think this is about Carlton fans is silly and there will always be contentious moments because we live in a chaotic world, live with it.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:28 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Bulldogs Geelong just seems like a completely different game to ours

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They both play in a way that suits us more.
Freo took a particular approach we won't face often.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:30 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
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They've said it's a mistake.
They've also said the dissent call was 100% there and wouldn't repeat what was said. So it clearly was more than a suggestion to visit Specsavers.


Not arguing the dissent call. But four umpires obviously doesn't mean more eyes. So make a rule change. Bring in a coaches challenge. Don't know if that is the answer but bring in something so this doesn't happen again. It's fine to have a bit of Carlton arrogance, but when it happens to us in a Prelim - there'll just be a lot of tears. The game is great, but it has the potential to turn into a bit of a farce the way things are going.

Is the game a farce or not? Jeeze, make up your mind.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:37 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
The umpires missed a clear Out of Bounds on the full which would have seen Cripps having a shot for goal, so it goes both ways.
Freo got a pretty good go imo.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:40 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I actually enjoyed the arm wrestle.

WE played against a different style of game than previous 3 games. It was a different way to win. :clap:
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 7:56 pm 
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tommi wrote:
Disappointed….

really didn’t think Fog deserved a week…!

mayyyybe a fine…but even then unlucky
for mine…!

a free kick and 50 is all it was worth…!


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If it was a high profile player against a foot soldier, would they grade it the same?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:22 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
So one-eyed it borders on stupidity. When the shoe is on the other foot, Carlton fans will be the biggest bleeters and the rest of the footy world will simply say "karma". You don't care about the game, you only care that Carlton wins and don't care how it happens.


Yeah, nah.

Yeah: we have a whinge about the umps every week, it's part of being a supporter. We're watching a football game, not trying to resolve the Israel-Palestine situation. Relax and stop trying to be above it all.

Nah: even in games where we feel we've been especially reamed, I can't recall anyone calling for captain's challenges or endless tech analysis. I would say it shows we care a lot about the game that we aren't prepared to compromise its character in the vain pursuit of umpiring perfection.

Furthermore, you can't construct a reasonable argument for such interventions even with your own cherry picked examples. Calling a ball-up after Cottrell had caught the ball? OK, so now every time a player marks the ball in the last minute of a close game we may as well throw in an appeal, worst case they get the mark anyway, best case they lose the advantage of possession, so the player who went and won possession in good faith gets disadvantaged, how is that fair? And then the Adelaide example which was reviewed anyway, so what exactly are you proposing there?

The challenge system works fine in US sports which are just advertising vehicles anyway, and cricket, where there are natural stoppages and the technology is able to provide clear empirical evidence for binary questions like did the ball hit the bat or did it pitch in line with the stumps. In football, VAR has wrecked the sport because it turns those rare goals from moments of spontaneous joy into agonising waits as incompetent morons try to use videos and laser pointers to answer subjective questions like was that a natural arm movement or was that tackle careless or reckless. Learn the lessons, keep this shit out of Aussie Rules. I'd even do away with score reviews, they're almost always inconclusive so get on with the game!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:55 pm 
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Well I, for one, won't sleep until the AFL reverse this farce and award Fremantle the 4 points. It's a bloody outrage, this is.

Geez Doc... the rub of the green went Freo's way all day. In one chaotic moment, a scrambled kick forward in hindsight came off a freo player's upper arm. Would have been definitive if an umpire happened to be standing in the exact right line to see it. They weren't and for what felt like the only time for the whole match, the rub of the green went our way. There were plenty of moments that went Freo's way, as others have already pointed out. Yes we'd be spewing if it was the other way. We've been on the end of the rub running against us in the dying minutes and having far bigger consequences than 4 points in round 4. Yes we want the umpires to see everything. But they won't. Not ever. Not sure it makes the game a farce. It's the universal foible of sport.

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BigGartos wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
The umpires missed a clear Out of Bounds on the full which would have seen Cripps having a shot for goal, so it goes both ways.
Freo got a pretty good go imo.
Agree.
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Yes , i forgot to mention that . " Whistler " goes right back to the TBV days . Natures gentleman . Put your head in here more often mate . Your calm even handed balanced views are good reading .

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:59 pm 
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
honestly, even without the dissent freekick, i think we would have shut the game down



Wait a second mate....haven't you been reading social media today? Apparently Freo would definitely have scored in that last 40 secs. It was a given.

Theory sure stands up given they'd scored 9 goals in an entire game of footy :banghead: :banghead:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:01 pm 
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The McGovern free to Amiss in the third was for what? That can’t be a free.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:08 pm 
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The Club not listening to the Docs ideas all those years ago has taken its toll.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:09 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
BigGartos wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
The umpires missed a clear Out of Bounds on the full which would have seen Cripps having a shot for goal, so it goes both ways.
Freo got a pretty good go imo.
Agree.
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Yes , i forgot to mention that . " Whistler " goes right back to the TBV days . Natures gentleman . Put your head in here more often mate . Your calm even handed balanced views are good reading .
I guess you haven't been to the footy with him...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:17 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
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So something was going right for us with and without Walsh last year. So what's changed since then?
Give us a hint. Maybe the hint is related to a huge drop in clearances. Only thing that has changed from last year's winning midfield scenarios is Pittonet was our preferred No 1 ruck.


Clearance from stoppages was fine yesterday. It's the drinking the bathwater and not respecting the opponent enough. Spreading forward of centre looks great when it comes off, not so much when it doesn't.


Perhaps it is YOU who isn’t respecting the opponent, did you think of that?

You are giving Freo ZERO credit for their excellent execution of their game plan, albeit a very dull one.


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It was like they got Lyon back for a special Gather Round appearance...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:38 pm 
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The McGovern free to Amiss in the third was for what? That can’t be a free.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:49 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
oh for flowers sake there have always been touched/not touched etc moments - to think this is about Carlton fans is silly and there will always be contentious moments because we live in a chaotic world, live with it.


What’s it’s about is most footy fans are @#$%&! morons
Hopefully not in their daily lives just to do with their footy club
Like Adelaide last year if Freo miss the finals by a slender margin it’s bullshit

And it’s 2024
A game like that shouldn’t be decided like that

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