Because he's on our list.

Yes Elwood's list of wants is great, and I agree. I completely understand the value for dollar argument, I think we all do. The fact is that Lance will be on our list until at least October, so let's get behind him and give him a go.

It's kinda like a cease fire I guess.

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Spot on Elwood.

Lance has performed well under the value of his price tag for too long.

Extemely lucky to still be at Carlton imo.

Hope he still has some trade value at seasons end.

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You cant be serious CB?
Angwin was on our list, so was Karl.
People dont deserve respect because of a bloody football jumper, well not in my books anyway.
Respect is gained through actions and character.
Not some hero worship because you can kick a footy well.

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Yeah, I know what you're saying, and I didn't say anybody should hero worship Lance. Just give him an opportunity to perform. If you're happy to keep criticising him without him having a right of reply, so to speak, then fair enough. I just don't see the point to be honest.

I actually agree with most of the criticisms against Lance, just not the frequency with which they are aired. I'm splitting hairs a little … I'm not asking everyone to respect him like they might respect the Tredrea/Brown types they expect him to perform like, given his salary but to give him the respect to have an opportunity to counter the criticisms against him.

So far, by all accounts, he's righted the wrongs from when he came back to training last year.

I'll remember that line about the jumper too.

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..lookit, it goes like this.. ..there's no use comparing tredea/brown etc etc to lance cos quite frankly, if you stuck lance in a team as good as those have been, then he'd be firin' on all cylinders, like he was in his youth when the blues were a good team.. ..sure he's had a few dodge seasons in between then and now, but there's been problems aside from his weight that contributed to that fact.. ..has he been a little greedy come contract time, sure.. ..but that's an industry problem.. ..players that potentially sacrifice their financial futures for a club are far and few between nowadays, and honestly given the same situation we'd prolly go the grab for cash too..

..now, some folks may same the game has passed him by.. ..and that's an enticing arguement.. ..others may say he can't win a game for us.. ..again, it often looks the case.. ..but i reiterate, once our backline becomes even remotely respectable, and our midfield comes close to resembling respectability.. ..then you'd find that lance would return to his damaging potential.. ..on-field he does show leadership potential, more than most.. ..not all captains have to top the possessions total, or kick regular bags of goals.. .there's much more to leading a team, and his football smarts are only doubted by the hardened cynics..

..last season he played out of position for the majority of it, prior to being moved down back he did have some good games.. ..such as against Essendon*, of which it could be argued he won the game off of his own boot, also he showed up both lions defenders before bradshaw was moved back onto him.. ..when he did get moved down back, he took a bit of time to settle in.. ..but if he never went down back, then we'd have suffered thrashings on a more frequent occurance in my humble opinion.. ..he does alot of things that aren't always easily noticeable.. ..he cuts off alot of attacking angles/options.. ..and especially in the transition phase our club is goin' through, without him we'd be in dire straits..

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Aint that the truth.

Is'nt it interesting that Lances woes are quite often blamed on our inferior midfield yet when we defeat Essendon*, it's because of Lance.
Our midfield got the ball inside our forward 50 a dozen times more than Essendon*.
Kudos to them.

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At least Lance is not Richie Vandenburg

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What do you mean the game has passed Lance by?? How do you know? When Pagan came to the club, we waved the (modern) game passed us and went with a specialized Norfs game plan that had its heyday last century. Ironically the more modern game parially had its origins as a counter to Norfs.

But, hey, let's blame Lance for everything. It was his choice to stand under long bombs with five defenders hanging off him.

And I'd take Kouta or Lance anyday over Nafan 'give-me-the-ball' Buckley. Isn't he the one who had to have leadership lessons because most of his team mates thought he was a knob.

Where have you been Synbad The movie has been and gone. B52's sound track. John Goodman had Fred Flintstone role .......

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Nathan Buckley was a similar case to Polly Farmer...Polly couldnt understand why players didnt have his passion for training and improving their skills and why all players couldnt attain his skill level.
Buckley set the bar high and a lot of his teammates couldnt reach it and he had difficulties in understanding that and had to be taught like Polly Farmer that players are individuals with different capabilities and that he had to learn to tolerate their mistakes and failings...
Kouta's a nice bloke and isnt about raising or lowering bars.....Lance has always been looking for the low bar and only now has realised that doesnt help you become a better athlete and he needs to change his ways...
Buckley may be a over the top knob when it comes to training and preperation but to me that is a preferred failing than not making enough effort....

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Take a panadol Billy.
BKH stated it was an enticing argument, I agreed.

As for Buckley, yes his team mates thought he was a knob.
But funnily enough it was the lazy, uncommitted players who had the problem.
Nathan Buckley is a thorough professional who sets enormously high standards. He would walk into the captaincy at our club.

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To be honest, I can't be bothered with this.

Kouta is the captain, Lance is not, and season 2006 looms.

Whether Lance gets what he wants will depend on what he does.

The proof's in the pudding (excuse the pun )

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At this stage i am looking at 2006 to see what comes from it. So Lance has said that he would like to captain the blues well i guess what he does in 2006 will either show that he is a candidate or just a chimp. But i think hey 2006 is a new Year changes have been made we have 2 new coaching guys ... some new players and recruits in Saddington / Murphy / Josh and co. And also had some notable people leave. To cap off the hpeful emergence with Walks / benteck and co .... lets see how the season unfolds before we start restructuring the whole list of 2006 lol
The list is set we have the players for 2006 and i just hope the Blues surprise us and show some forward direction. if Lance helps and contributes .... great if not well i am sure there will be plenty who will get stuck into him including the media and everyone else.

I agree to a large extent.

However, what is 'delivering on the field'? You could argue that last year he delivered on the field, he came third in the B+F. Admittedly we were a poor side but in terms of individual performance he was rated third at the club. If he has another top 3 or top 5 B+F finish, will he earn your respect? And then the year after that if he does the same? That's the way I interpret your comments anyway.

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Oh no! Not Again!

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I Agree Lance Whitnall isn't captaincy material. If he is, then Brendan Fevola could be captain aswell. Yeah, he's kidding.

Kouta can have it, then propably stevo and one the kids like Jarrad Waite definetely somnetime down the track.

He's turning things around on the field but he has rocks in his head if he thinks he is the best candidate for captaincy.

Stevo then Jarrad Waite for me as Captain.

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