it was boarding on lunacy the amount of times we punted it forward ... to a 3 on 1 ... I have to echo some of the comments here, sometimes we are so stupid in execution ... but then perhaps our execution can be attributed to the lack of movement in our forward line ... we seem to congregate around Curnow, not spread and give other options ..

Acres / McKay are a massive loss to our structure, made very clear last night. TDK is important (Pitto was servicable), but we didnt have a replacement for the role that Acres / McKay play, and it hurt, alot.

I am a huge fan of O. Hollands, but gee ... he can struggle at times. He might be able to run, run and run again, but some of his execution and lack of bulk, hurt alot, but he should be singled out. It was a poor night (been poor since the Geelong game to be honest) for alot of the players.

I actually like Curnow up the ground, but turning around he had nothing to kick too ... it was the right tactic, curnow on the wing, swing around to a forward running towards goal, bullet pass etc.. ... we just didnt have the forwards to execute it ... could have easily kicked 4 or 5 more goals in this capacity, if we didnt have our forwards running up past the wing ...

I'm glad I'm not alone in my feelings for umpire #22. Outrageously poor umpire.

it was Umpire 23 (i think that was his number) who genuinely looked like he was out of his depth ... it was bad decision after bad decision. The recall for the player that fell over, being a particular terrible decision. the worst being a holding the ball, when the player had his back to the umpire, where he couldn't possibly see if he disposed of the ball or not .. yet there was another umpire directly in front of it that could see everything (fairly sure that was old mate #22) to see it was a clear handball ... to a running carlton player ... put paid holding the ball ... right in front of the carlton faithful on the wing.

i will add, umpires arent why you win and lose a game. 1 goal in a half is, but gee the inconsistency can kill you ... and it feels like that inconsistency comes in the space of just a few minutes (two in the back decision, both going ports way particular irritating ... i,e one that was paid against us, and one that should have resulted in a carlton free kick.

at times, you could actually see the frustration from the carlton players, asking what is going on ...

its actually probably the only thing all fans agree upon. umpiring is in a terrible shape and i think that is the AFL fault, with their constant tweaking of the rules, not the umpiring department.

My beef was with umpire #22, but I wouldn't have given any of them a 5-star review on google. Last night's umpires were Jamie Broadbent (20), Nathan Williamson (22), Cameron Dore (28), Jacob Mollison (32).

with williams injured, we really needed to take a chance on martin, imo. he's the missing link forward, imo

I agree with that

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pies won a flag without a single key forward. they had a resting ruck as their marking target, and their smalls knifed everyone they came against.


the problem with comparing us to anyone else is, we are slow. probably the slowest (by foot speed) team in the comp. other teams espesh the ones you mentioned are fast, and play fast and their bigs are versatile. darcy and hagle for dogs play like smalls. they attack the ball at the ground. gws probs the fastest team in the league, and port probably the fastest midfield in the comp? (maybe the hawks have a case too?)

the reason teams play tall against us is bcos we have weitering at the back, and that's it. no other kpd can defend man-on. and bcos of our foot speed, teams feel like they can go with an extra tall, and we still won't catch them.

... and they would be right. apparently.


two marking targets up front is plenty. add a mid-sized forward target like martin, sos, or williams and then a swarm of fast, pressuring smalls who can make a snap, and that is a good formula.

I was a little surprised he wasn't selected and named sub with the VFL bye.

Tho he would have ended up playing the majority of the game.

it’s the manner of our losses and close win over North. 3 goals in three quarters of football isn’t finals material.

we lack depth on every line. most clubs have a tall forward of two waiting for their chance of selection and do something when given a chance. we had Young. is Lemmy an AFL listed player? TDK could be considered a tall forward option i guess. we missed him forward and in the middle for an extra clearance player.

we missed Acres’ drive and desperation. we missed H of course… Charlie can’t pass it to Charlie.

we miss Liam Jones or a quality genuine tall KPD badly. leaking goals when we lose ever since.

probably we missed a six day break and port knew it was going to be like this so held something in the tank to run over us in the fourth.

so disappointing. that’s footy i guess.


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if it is attitude/belief/charm/voodoo whatcha gonna do?


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Voss says we’ve never lost contested possession numbers. that was a first he said.


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There is no way we go from 55pts in a half to 10pts without conditioning playing a part. We will taper off and refresh. After a slow start we will overrun the Pies and finish the H&A season strongly.

I called it after the Bulldogs game.
Said it then we won't make the 8, hope I am wrong but after last night I really doubt we will now.

A lot of hysteria on here - not that everyone doesn't deserve to have a rant given the loss but keep some perspective. We looked very tired in the second half and clearly the 5 day turn around at this time of the season hurt us immensely. Also the loss of Harry last minute didn't help. No team can afford to lose its better players. That second quarter is what we should be recalling as that is the way we play, not the second half when we died. We got smashed around the ball simply because we couldn't get enough numbers around the ball. Our wingers and half forwards could not cover the ground between defence and forward. The fact Ollie and Walsh had so few possessions the second half backs this up.

I still have confidence we will play finals and by then we should be in a position for our best team to be available.

GO BLUES!

Once again because you obviously can't figure it out for yourself, the discontent with us playing 3 tall forwards is WE CONTINUALLY LOSE.
Other teams playing 3 tall forwards works for them because we don't have sufficient tall defenders of quality. The argument you continually trot out about what others teams do is pointless. They have different players, different structures, different list composition. The tactics other teams use are for us to counter, not to copy. Especially teams lower on the ladder!

Out of interest, which 3 tall forwards would you have played last night? Which were available and ready to add value?
I'll wait.
We didn't have 2 of value available let alone 3 so why make inflammatory, moot comments?

The coaches roles to implement a game plan that makes maximum utilisation of the personnel he has at his disposal. Not to copy others.
As I said last week, you delight in losses and injuries so you can rush to TC and push your same old, tired, brainless agendas. And here we are again.

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For the VFL watchers, would Lemmey or O'Keefe have provided a better contest at CHF?

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Watched the Voss press conference.
Measured but seemingly worried

I’m not sure if we have been worked out, or if we have dropped off lots. Could be a little of both.

I’m holding on to hope it’s out flat spot, and that we come good with two good breaks in next two games.
Need to win both if we are going to contend.

O'Keefe is injured and the Port defenders would have chewed Lemmey up and spat him out.

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I would have swung a Kemp or McGovern forward. Young isn’t a forward but we refuse to play him back with Weitering.

kemp for mine should have played forward. they wanted him in the twos for a few weeks to find his mojo. but injury forced him back into the fold.


kemp was drafted as a forward if i recall? maybe that's where he could have found his form? to play young there instead defies any sensible logic ... unless of course the rumours are true, and weitering can't stand him in the backline?