Cottrell was V GWS where we must have been spooked by their pace as that's also the game where TDK went solo v Briggs.
Yet we brought in Pitto the next week v Bulldogs.

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There has been some odd moves but really no-one has been that good in VFL. Binns had one 40+ game and should have been considered (which hopefully he was). Martin surprised me to be selected but played pretty well. Fantasia didn't do much early as a fwd but improved when pushed up to cover for Cottrell. Probably should have been kept a bit longer and Cottrell back through the VFL.
Kennedy as sub we need to learn from because having the flexibility might mean he looks like a good choice but he's too good currently and also that flexibility is handy on the ground.

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I’m super disappointed like many here.

Left the ground 10mins before 3qtr time and I rarely leave early.

I didn’t feel like we dominated the 1st like stats suggest. We had territory but Pies sat back and we were too safe with our ball use. Our looks at goal didn’t seem that great because of this.

Shackles come off in the last, we take some risks, run the ball a lot more and hey presto.

We are playing like a team that has something to lose and I suppose we do given our ladder position. Now we’ve lost that. Our safe mindset has been really disappointing. This time last year we were hunting every week.

Last year we got on a roll
It lasted half the season based on tough contested footy
That’s not enough to win you a flag
You have to have good systems and not be predictable when trying to score
And more importantly you have to apply pressure in close and when the ball is in open space.
The second part of the equation is where we fall down miserably
Hawthorns last 10 weeks is the best example of what is needed
Last nights game wasn’t of a great standard
Collingwood are just going
Their midfield is slow.
To me Bobby Hill was the standout
Hoskins-Elliott was good
And Cameron smashed Pitto who is a witches hat after the tap out
Despite Collingwood doubling our hit outs we won the clearance battle and stoppages by 8
Yet for most of the night we were clearly the second best team
We had seven more inside 50 s but didn’t take advantage of that
Our ball movement ,system is too predictable
Worst of all we clearly are too easily scored against compared to most other teams in the comp
Yet we are the number one clearance team
That pretty much sums us up
We are crap when the ball is loose or in the hands of the opposition in the open
We weren’t great in that area last year
I think where the game has evolved a bit from 2023 is the importance of run and carry
Have a look at what impact Ed Richards and Hayden Young have had on their teams
We don’t possess that type of player
We are too easily scored against particularly from
stoppage

It’s almost safe to say this year is done
Their ain’t much in the twos
Lemmey might be ok
And Binns should of played more this year

This is a team that leaks too many points....another 84 points conceded last night.

Published 3 days ago:

Blue funk: The history Carlton must overcome to challenge for flag

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1184586/blu ... e-for-flag

A leaky backline has seen the Blues concede 86.6 points per game this season, ranked inside the bottom five across the entire competition for scores against during the campaign.

In fact, only Essendon* (87.5 points) and cellar dwellers West Coast (99.4 points), Richmond (102.6 points) and North Melbourne (108.6 points) have conceded more than Carlton this year.

But when they lose a clearance, they get hurt. Badly. According to Champion Data stats, the 42.1 points per game Carlton is conceding from opposition clearances is the second worst of any side in the AFL behind West Coast (42.2 points).

Meanwhile, the 13.5 points per game Carlton is giving up from an opposition's centre clearances is again the second worst of any side in the League behind only North Melbourne (15.9 points).

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Collingwood scored 3 goals from kick in....at least one was training drill stuff (where J Daicos got goal side of E Hollands at the kick in)

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After this match I've now come to accept that we aren't good enough to be a contender. We were reasonably close to our full strength side (yes Dekoning is a factor but the Pies have their injuries as well), had an 8 day break and everything to play for. I think the effort was there however it is clear we lack a quick, skillful, line breaking midfielder. We also lack a decent 2nd defender however I thought McGovern and Kemp were pretty good last night.
Pittonet 0 marks, 0 tackles meant it was always going to be tough.
Saad squibbed it on a few occasions which was surprising.
On a positive I thought Kemp and O Hollands played well and hopefully can gain some confidence from their performance.

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we're in a bad spot. i've felt like we peaked when we hit the point after cats and tigers where we'd won something like 21 from 23 games that fog had played in. as a playing group with these coaches, that felt like our high water mark. maybe i'm wrong and we come again ... but shit, it doesn't look good.

we play too tight, no dare, kicking long to contests, can't move the ball from our back 50. i noticed 4 or 5 times last night we'd go the kick in, short'ish and then bomb long to the contest. only at the f'in contest there was no pittonet. charlie and H were another 30 metres behind the contest (80m from the ball).

just mind blowing stuff from a team playing the old enemy, season on the line, and that's what we produce?


cerra 5th hammy in 12 months. walsh - suffering with a back injury that will never heal, only be managed - a shadow of himself and cripps is 30. Pittonet is a giant lump of slow, lumbering, can't get to the contest or drop of the ball, can't lay a tackle or make a mark.

this is our engine room? and there's no one coming through. we draft carroll and lord - more bigger bodied, one-speed players who don't look remarkable, but maybe just reliable.

i can't even begin to go on how we start each game so far behind the other coaches box ... void of plan B's, no dare, cannot move the magnets, and certainly can't counter the magnets once the other coach has made a move.

we've waited over two decades for this?

in brighter news, kemp played his best game in a while, maybe he's over his slump - he looks damn good when he's on, lots of potential imo. ollie looked better too. I thought elijah did a few good things.


Charlie was no where near it - another important game comes and goes without him making any kind of impact

saad - has been an absolute shadow of himself this season, from AA last year to this? He looks slower, he's overruning the ball so much, then falling over. his direct man is beating him like a gong every game. don't forget it was saad's direct opponent Vs dogs and gws that went untouched from a D50 stoppage and kicked goals.

Harry? 6'8" great speed, great athleticism, A+ hands. doesn't do enough. those early misses set the tone. at qtr time we should have been up from 4 goals.

Martin was invisible for 3 qtrs. these 3 forwards have enough talent to win the game themselves. but ...

Voss - this guy is pissing me off. watching the pies play a defensive system, where each player knows exactly which blade of grass they have to stand on, meanwhile we hve guys 5-10m apart waving to each other for the other player to go back? no one wants to work but more worryingly they don't look like they actually know what to do... and that right there is us.

not well-drilled, not well coached, and players aren't working to the requirement that top 8, let alone top 4 or top 2 demands.

We are a good side. Able to push the better sides in the comp and rarely get done by big margins. However, the list has holes that are difficult to fill.
We have not dash in the midfield apart from Walsh who struggles with his injuries. We lack skills for a high level team. We look better with Fantasia and Williams in as they are composed in the fwd half.

I am still happy we ran the game out well. I think the season has a few more twists and turns and we are not cooked yet.

Also, any player from any other team playing against Carlton would have scored that winning goal after the siren.

Not Logan McDonald

Just saw the replay. Bloke took a knee to the head while diving for a mark. It was hard enough that Schultz was clutching his knee in some discomfort. The irony here is that if the umps had intervened and demanded a HIA as the media were screaming for after H played on, maybe someone else would've taken the kick. It's a bitter pill, but I'm not having anyone abusing Gov for lack of courage or mettle.

he shanked it ... it happens. gary lyon was actually laughing about it after the game on fox, while the others giggled along.

that's where we are at in 2024 ... footy world laughing at us.

Even Logan McDonald

looking at the stats ...

defensive pressure 1st and last Qtr = 200. we peaked at 250 in the 4th which is off the charts.

2nd & 3rd = 167 & 170

too many times this year we've gone bruise free. in a team that's not fast, doesn't bat deep thru the middle, and has no levers to pull from the coaching box. that lack of pressure will always cost us games. last season we were applying pressure for close to 4 qtrs.

we've regressed, yeah? no one can argue that, can they?

Motlop taking his time lining up as though he was 20m out really bugged me. I said to my wife "What the hell does he think he's doing? There's no way he can kick that distance." I might be giving Crippa credit where it's not due, but I though he was looking for someone to lead up.

That is good pressure to win the game. DIdnt get bang for buck in the first probably what cost us. Need to cash in when we have that energy.
Lost by a kick after the siren. Be good to peg a goal or two back from the oppo with fixables.

Season not done yet. I am excited about the next few weeks and then the finals when things really tighten up. Charlies ankle bothering me and Gov likely to miss with concussion.

Reminded me of the Robbie WARNOCK shot after the siren after he was knocked out…


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He was “fallen on” by the pies player after he took the mark, it was a clear 50 metre penalty.

Yes, a lot of guys taking short steps last night, E Hollands and Saad were two multiple offenders.

Guys like Maynard treat our players with contempt. Jordan Lewis was implying the same thing in the commentary box, and the prick was right.