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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 2:18 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
Fenwick Snap wrote:
No Bont, no Dogs, no excuses.

We have the talent to cover this lot, if we're going to make anything of this season.
Last year they had a bunch of players out and we still went to water (on Cripps' 200th no less).


i dropped into the Clyde mid game and a smug little Doggies supporter told me Dogs were winning for sure and he’d back them in with big bet.

walked out knowing he was probably right. road the bike around Princess Park for the rest of the game trying to will us over the line. but nope. this week might be different. if we improve again as much as we did last week and some confidence starts to flow into our ball movement then i think we’re a good chance. if the players a half resigned to a lose then that’s what will happen for sure. Darcy in unbelievable form. Weiters and mids will have to bring their AA games.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 2:23 pm 
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spotted Kouta on Monday arvo in Sydney road. he was walking down the road towards me as i got out of car but i didn’t recognise him until someone shouted out “Hi Kouta, how’s it going”. the spotter dude looked like he hangs out on Talking Dealers with his wrap around shades but Kouta was the model gentleman and greater him nicely and asking him how he was doing. i figured maybe it was a sign Ashton Moir was going to either kick 6 in the twos or get a run in the ones. well he’s emergency so either one or the other outcome is still alive :razz:


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spotted Kouta on Monday arvo in Sydney road. he was walking down the road towards me as i got out of car but i didn’t recognise him until someone shouted out “Hi Kouta, how’s it going”. the spotter dude looked like he hangs out on Talking Dealers with his wrap around shades but Kouta was the model gentleman and greater him nicely and asking him how he was doing. i figured maybe it was a sign Ashton Moir was going to either kick 6 in the twos or get a run in the ones. well he’s emergency so either one or the other outcome is still alive :razz:

can't see him kicking 6 in the 2s when they aren't playing

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 2:35 pm 
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any chance that Weiters plays on a direct opponent this week? Or we can just let Young get slaughtered again.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 2:37 pm 
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Hollands is one sided defensive player and is why he has been moved back to where he plays his best footy. No longer a wing.


I don't think that's correct sidey.

Holland was moved back there to give us more run out of defense.

It was obvious during praccy games and in the first 2 rounds he's the go to man moreso than Saad because Saad was playing a lockdown role. He'd run back to player with the free kick (from free or mark) and run behind that player for the gimme and he would just take off.

If Newman was back, he'd free up Saady and he's be the go to man for obvious reaso, and Hollands could easily slip back to the wing, and push out Cottrell back to HF.

After 2 rounds of footy, nothing should be off the table.

Bondi, I think you need to come to the realisation Hollands was not a good wing, won't be a good wing and is a better defender than attacker.
Hollands was moved there due to injury and that is where he has played his best football because in the 2 years he played wing, he sucked at F50 entries and only kicked 7 goals. I get it, we haven't had a good wing since Walsh was on one so us Carlton supporters have been deprived and is why some rate Acres and Hollands, but just look around the league to see how damaging wings can be. Both of ours were pretty much defenders.

Campo has been a breath of fresh air as he takes the risks, has foot speed and agility, can hit a long target and loves the contact as well.

Yes Hollands has run (1 geared), his disposals out of defence are not as questionable but he still gets knocked of the ball easily.
I seen him try and hip and shoulder a Hawk last week and he just bounced off of him.
He is a liability on the wing moving forward but is great at being the loose defender and plugging holes.
He is in his best position now.

Edit: Doc was also good on the wing.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 2:39 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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The side is flexible enough for Voss to move the pieces around to get the match ups right and play to our strengths. Those who are always screaming for Plan B should be happy!
I like the addition of Boyd.

Huh, can you explain.
We dropped a wing and an inside mid for a back pocket and small forward.
I'm failing to see the flexibility in this when we are having midfield issues both on D50 rebounds and F50 entries.
Plan B would be dropping some talls and/or adding speed and making it more of a run and carry team IMO.
I think at the most we have upgraded some positions but even then, I would've dropped Acres before Campo.
Definitely not a plan B scenario.


Come on sidey, use your imagination:

Plan B

B: Boyd Weitering Cowan
HB Saad McGovern Hollands
C: Cottrell Cripps Walsh
HF: Motlop Silvagni Fogarty
F: Docherty Curnow Williams

F: DeKoning Hewett Cerra

I: Evans Acres Kemp Haynes

S: Young

If you want to go smaller and quicker then swap Curnow with Evans and Silvagni with Acres, Weitering with Kemp or Haynes.

Very flexible team

Flexible yes.
None of those moves will happen.
Walsh will not be on the wing.
Great imagination, won't be a plan B.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 3:43 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
spotted Kouta on Monday arvo in Sydney road. he was walking down the road towards me as i got out of car but i didn’t recognise him until someone shouted out “Hi Kouta, how’s it going”. the spotter dude looked like he hangs out on Talking Dealers with his wrap around shades but Kouta was the model gentleman and greater him nicely and asking him how he was doing. i figured maybe it was a sign Ashton Moir was going to either kick 6 in the twos or get a run in the ones. well he’s emergency so either one or the other outcome is still alive :razz:

can't see him kicking 6 in the 2s when they aren't playing


fair point, did t realise on Monday.

there’s a scratch game against Dogs twos, apparently. same diff. hope he produces a break out, four quarter game some time this season at either level to give him confidence that he’s got what it takes.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 3:45 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
The side is flexible enough for Voss to move the pieces around to get the match ups right and play to our strengths. Those who are always screaming for Plan B should be happy!
I like the addition of Boyd.

Huh, can you explain.
We dropped a wing and an inside mid for a back pocket and small forward.
I'm failing to see the flexibility in this when we are having midfield issues both on D50 rebounds and F50 entries.
Plan B would be dropping some talls and/or adding speed and making it more of a run and carry team IMO.
I think at the most we have upgraded some positions but even then, I would've dropped Acres before Campo.
Definitely not a plan B scenario.


Come on sidey, use your imagination:

Plan B

B: Boyd Weitering Cowan
HB Saad McGovern Hollands
C: Cottrell Cripps Walsh
HF: Motlop Silvagni Fogarty
F: Docherty Curnow Williams

F: DeKoning Hewett Cerra

I: Evans Acres Kemp Haynes

S: Young

If you want to go smaller and quicker then swap Curnow with Evans and Silvagni with Acres, Weitering with Kemp or Haynes.

Very flexible team

Flexible yes.
None of those moves will happen.
Walsh will not be on the wing.
Great imagination, won't be a plan B.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:00 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
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I’m in the States ........


Traitor. :lol: Say it ain't so JJ, say it ain't so. :eek:

Regards Cazzesman


Sad I know Cazz. Booked this trip before the nightmare November elections. There is wall to wall coverage of signalgate here. The place is an absolute cluster. Prices are out of sight. Coffee is around $14 AUD for dirty water. They can’t make coffee if their life depended on it.

I have my lightsaber from Disneyland so it’s a tick of the bucket list. Off to NYC on Sunday. So I’ll miss the Doggies and Filth games.


Play safe and don't mention politics in any bars. There are lots of feral stubba's drinking themselves silly. :wink:

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Can you please keep this bs out of footy related threads? Ffs every time!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:03 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Hollands is one sided defensive player and is why he has been moved back to where he plays his best footy. No longer a wing.


I don't think that's correct sidey.

Holland was moved back there to give us more run out of defense.

It was obvious during praccy games and in the first 2 rounds he's the go to man moreso than Saad because Saad was playing a lockdown role. He'd run back to player with the free kick (from free or mark) and run behind that player for the gimme and he would just take off.

If Newman was back, he'd free up Saady and he's be the go to man for obvious reaso, and Hollands could easily slip back to the wing, and push out Cottrell back to HF.

After 2 rounds of footy, nothing should be off the table.

Bondi, I think you need to come to the realisation Hollands was not a good wing, won't be a good wing and is a better defender than attacker.
Hollands was moved there due to injury and that is where he has played his best football because in the 2 years he played wing, he sucked at F50 entries and only kicked 7 goals. I get it, we haven't had a good wing since Walsh was on one so us Carlton supporters have been deprived and is why some rate Acres and Hollands, but just look around the league to see how damaging wings can be. Both of ours were pretty much defenders.

Campo has been a breath of fresh air as he takes the risks, has foot speed and agility, can hit a long target and loves the contact as well.

Yes Hollands has run (1 geared), his disposals out of defence are not as questionable but he still gets knocked of the ball easily.
I seen him try and hip and shoulder a Hawk last week and he just bounced off of him.
He is a liability on the wing moving forward but is great at being the loose defender and plugging holes.
He is in his best position now.

Edit: Doc was also good on the wing.


He is not a loose defender. He has an opponent. Watch. He may be loose when we play plus one. That's another story.
Everyone gets knocked off the ball, every game, maybe not Cripps and Weiters.
IMO he doesn't get easily knocked off the ball. He's tenacious (dof n bone), gutsy, and fights above his weight

He is playing HB now. I agree
Doc was also good on the wing. I agree

Lets agree to disagree, and I will remember this position like we disagreed a couple years ago when we disagreed.
We both have our own arseholes. :wink:

Good luck to your team.

I am not denying Hollands has won more possessions playing HB, but I can't accept absolutes. That's all.
You think he wont be good on the wing. Why should I? We're different. He has impressed me on a wing before. You too. Admit it...maybe his form failed him.
He kicks goals from the wing vs liability. Who is right? Check the footage...and the Stats.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:04 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
The side is flexible enough for Voss to move the pieces around to get the match ups right and play to our strengths. Those who are always screaming for Plan B should be happy!
I like the addition of Boyd.

Huh, can you explain.
We dropped a wing and an inside mid for a back pocket and small forward.
I'm failing to see the flexibility in this when we are having midfield issues both on D50 rebounds and F50 entries.
Plan B would be dropping some talls and/or adding speed and making it more of a run and carry team IMO.
I think at the most we have upgraded some positions but even then, I would've dropped Acres before Campo.
Definitely not a plan B scenario.


Come on sidey, use your imagination:

Plan B

B: Boyd Weitering Cowan
HB Saad McGovern Hollands
C: Cottrell Cripps Walsh
HF: Motlop Silvagni Fogarty
F: Docherty Curnow Williams

F: DeKoning Hewett Cerra

I: Evans Acres Kemp Haynes

S: Young

If you want to go smaller and quicker then swap Curnow with Evans and Silvagni with Acres, Weitering with Kemp or Haynes.

Very flexible team

Flexible yes.
None of those moves will happen.
Walsh will not be on the wing.
Great imagination, won't be a plan B.


Purely imagination.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:

He is not a loose defender. He has an opponent. Watch. He may be loose when we play plus one. That's another story.
Everyone gets knocked off the ball, every game, maybe not Cripps and Weiters.
IMO he doesn't get easily knocked off the ball. He's tenacious (dof n bone), gutsy, and fights above his weight

He is playing HB now. I agree
Doc was also good on the wing. I agree

Lets agree to disagree, and I will remember this position like we disagreed a couple years ago when we disagreed.
We both have our own arseholes. :wink:

Good luck to your team.

I am not denying Hollands has won more possessions playing HB, but I can't accept absolutes. That's all.
You think he wont be good on the wing. Why should I? We're different. He has impressed me on a wing before. You too. Admit it...maybe his form failed him.
He kicks goals from the wing vs liability. Who is right? Check the footage...and the Stats.

Sorry, by loose defender I was referring to his role on the wing.
I agree he's tough, but there is enough footage out there of him being easily pushed off the ball.
He needs to put some more kgs on for that to stop happening.

That is true, I like attacking wings and you like defending ones.
Both players had their faults and both not good wings.
That is what is so frustrating about dropping Campo as we finally might have a wing that is balanced both offensive and defensive.
The kid needs games under his belt.

It's not just possessions, more to do with how damaging he is going forward.
Even Acres as bad as a kick he is kicked 10 and 13 in those 2 years vs 2 and 5 goals.
Ollie has impressive defensive efforts, no one can deny that but if it doesn't amount to anything then what is the point.
And yes I can admit he has done some good things, but so too did LOB, but individually neither were what we need from a wing, especially with a 1 geared midfield.
And as the game gets quicker we need more balanced fast players running through the middle, especially on the outside.
As for stats, Ollie is average or below in every scoring metric for his position.
That and the eye test is enough for me.

Happy to agree to disagree on this one.
I'm just calling it as I see it.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:29 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
The side is flexible enough for Voss to move the pieces around to get the match ups right and play to our strengths. Those who are always screaming for Plan B should be happy!
I like the addition of Boyd.

Huh, can you explain.
We dropped a wing and an inside mid for a back pocket and small forward.
I'm failing to see the flexibility in this when we are having midfield issues both on D50 rebounds and F50 entries.
Plan B would be dropping some talls and/or adding speed and making it more of a run and carry team IMO.
I think at the most we have upgraded some positions but even then, I would've dropped Acres before Campo.
Definitely not a plan B scenario.


Come on sidey, use your imagination:

Plan B

B: Boyd Weitering Cowan
HB Saad McGovern Hollands
C: Cottrell Cripps Walsh
HF: Motlop Silvagni Fogarty
F: Docherty Curnow Williams

F: DeKoning Hewett Cerra

I: Evans Acres Kemp Haynes

S: Young

If you want to go smaller and quicker then swap Curnow with Evans and Silvagni with Acres, Weitering with Kemp or Haynes.

Very flexible team

Flexible yes.
None of those moves will happen.
Walsh will not be on the wing.
Great imagination, won't be a plan B.


Purely imagination.

Look, at least your positive about it.
I'm just old and grumpy that things are not evolving at the club.
Well, at least that I can see anyway.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:39 pm 
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Vossy has organised a bus. He has been going house to house picking players up.
He is finding most of them crying under the bed in the fetal position and he is waving $100 notes to entice them out and some still won't budge

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I'd love to see McGovern in the front half tonight. Jack is a hard worker but his kicking at goal is poor. We need return for effort and having a good kick there will help. Plus it throws up something different for Jones/Lobb. A mid size forward with good acceleration and is strong overhead.

Jack to Naughtin. He has the competitiveness to compete. Young has more height for Darcy but Weitering has learnt how to play on ultra talls. He moves them off the ball well before they can fly at the ball. Max King swallowed him up a couple of times and he adjusted well. He needs to take that job and Haynes will have to step up a lot as the interceptor.

I'd have liked to see Carroll come in to give ball use off half back but so be it. Young hopefully to offer more time in the ruck tonight so TDK can offer some height/menace in the front half.
I'd expect Evans to play a defensive role on Bailey Dale or wing rotation.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 5:00 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Vossy has organised a bus. He has been going house to house picking players up.
He is finding most of them crying under the bed in the fetal position and he is waving $100 notes to entice them out and some still won't budge

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 5:26 pm 
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Even Acres as bad as a kick he is kicked 10 and 13 in those 2 years vs 2 and 5 goals.



I didn't know that.
Acres missed a lot too.

Hollands is just a 1st and 2nd year player in that comparison. Acres was 28yo and 29yo.

After his first and very impressive year he was only 19yo. We knew he wasn't the finished product but could see what he would become by adding layers to his game.
Maybe Acres has taken charge of the defensive wing role, and for that reason why we see a more defensive minded Hollands?

Like Campo, its good to get more games in them when you know they've got it. Campo has run out of petrol tickets at 19yo, whereas at 19yo Holands from the get go could run like a wingman, could run all day. Vossy gave him defensive tasks. I think Hollands has got great defensive craft for a wingman, and no reason why he can't be turned to play an offensive role.

When Acres vacates his spot, through injury, suspension, form or retirement, we will need a bonafide wingman.

I think Hollands at HB is only temporary TBH. I believe he will become one of our greatest wingmen. Glascott good. He's a machine. A 10 year player. He's a keeper imo and bonus is he grew up barracking for Carlton.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 5:27 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Vossy has organised a bus. He has been going house to house picking players up.
He is finding most of them crying under the bed in the fetal position and he is waving $100 notes to entice them out and some still won't budge

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That's GOLD and sooooo non PC

But I can't help but :lol:

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Fingers crossed....simple things I'd like to see

Eyes lowered when they flood back
Bring it to ground when we bomb it long, crumbers go to work
Defensive support when we're bombing it in for the inevitable counter
Run (and block) in support when the ball is given to someone in a better position




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