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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 12:35 pm 
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I wouldn't mind us having another chat with Tom Williamson. The fact his put his name forward, would suggest he is keen for another go. Can play and he could be the run and carry winger - ready to go we need!!!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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I wouldn't mind us having another chat with Tom Williamson. The fact his put his name forward, would suggest he is keen for another go. Can play and he could be the run and carry winger - ready to go we need!!!

Nah.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Losing Kemp has robbed us of that 3rd target forward. As much as Young tries to fill this hole he is not mobile enough.
McMahon has been kicking 3 to 4 goals a week in reserves why wouldn't you take him mid season.



I really hope we take him. Be gutted if Essendon** beat us to the punch


I don't see what value he'd add to the list, we already have Charlie, MacKay, Young, Lemmey, O'Keefe and TDK who can play as a tall fwd, plus Kemp who is injured. McMahon woudl end up playing VFL same as he is now, but would be taking a list spot. We don't need another tall fwd.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sidefx wrote:
According to Gettable we have been speaking to Sam Toner and Jacob Newton.

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-toner/

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/jacob-newton/


These are the sort we need, I like this "Offering great energy and speed through the ball, Toner is capable of pushing high up the ground to create turnovers or link the play going inside 50. He is also effective closer to goal where he so often impacts the scoreboard"


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 4:37 pm 
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I wouldn't mind us having another chat with Tom Williamson. The fact his put his name forward, would suggest he is keen for another go. Can play and he could be the run and carry winger - ready to go we need!!!


He's put his hand up. Wow. Been a long time between drinks.

Tommy was playing in Ararat last year IIRC . I think he was captain for the last 2 years there.
Went to North in the VFL after he was delisted end of 2022.

Had the aggression "mongel" needed for AFL and dish out hurt. Something we lacked back then, and still do imo.

Tom had a lot of fans at Carlton. I was never convinced by him... a bit like Kemp. Some really like Kemp, but to me he's depth. Tom was always depth for me, but have no idea how hes evolved.

I Loved Tom's potential, but his so called "deadly" left foot wasn't imo as accurate as was thought.

I wonder what he's like now all grown up...must be 26-7 yo.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 4:50 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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When watching the replay I was struck at how quick Saad’s reactions are and how agile he is in always getting the ball moved on, even if he only has a split second. What do you all think about playing Saad as a small forward? He is solid in defence but he’s not as a effective as he used to be, and he’s couldn’t be any worse than Evans, White, Motlop or Fogarty.


If Saady was a stay at home small forward that would be insanely good. If he had to do the sperinting our small forwards are doing, I don't think he's made for that


How about if we play Saad as the deepest forward and make Charlie and Harry run up and down the ground?

Edit: So we have Charlie and others kicking into space around Saad who can use his agility to run onto the ball, NOT kick it on top of his head. Obviously this means we need players like Boyd and Silvagni fit to replace his position in defence


Sorry Sin - but suggesting Saad up forward is as close as bad as playing Boyd forward last week. The coach who suggested this - well .....


ANYTHING IS WORTH A TRY. Surprises happen when something unexpected happens.

Remember Steve Silvagni the high flying KPF who kicked a few bags....tried FB and became FB of the century.

I was always of a fan of Silvagni in the backline and midfield. But many before the season started s\aid he was too slow. Lucky Vossy doesnt read TC or BF. He's a keeper in defence.

Saady is elusive, quick and has the knack to make time before he kicks... has the attributes to be a small forward imo. Don't know what he is lacking as a forward that Motlop, White, Evans, Durdin, Fogarty, and Williams have. I'd have Saady as a small forward before all other than Williams, who incidently was a HB, but recruited FA as a mid, hence $900K pa. Williams was failing as a defender before being moved forward. If Williams could make it forward, I have no doubt Saad could too....but we need his run from defence. Maybe now that Boyd is back, and Ollie playing HB and Newman on the horizon Saady can be tried forward. Otherwise, he's needed back. I just don't think Saady has the stmina to handle the way Vossy wants his small forwards playing....in defence.

As for Boyd, he played on a wing in the Footscray GF team and played a lot of his VFL for the scrays at HF because of his great kicking skills: could find a forward target and kick a long goal. He became a backman because Carlton tried him there and it worked with his courage and dare.

Last week Vossy subbed Boyd on to stand on Blakey as Evans tired. He was only there for 10 minuutes and swung back as needed as Sydney were peppering their forwad line. He didnt get switched to backline because he failed a s a forward.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sidefx wrote:
According to Gettable we have been speaking to Sam Toner and Jacob Newton.

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-toner/

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/jacob-newton/
Should get some run out of toner.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I wouldn't mind us having another chat with Tom Williamson. The fact his put his name forward, would suggest he is keen for another go. Can play and he could be the run and carry winger - ready to go we need!!!
Surrey is that based on Tom then, or Tom now? What have you seen in him?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluehammer wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I wouldn't mind us having another chat with Tom Williamson. The fact his put his name forward, would suggest he is keen for another go. Can play and he could be the run and carry winger - ready to go we need!!!
Surrey is that based on Tom then, or Tom now? What have you seen in him?


Seems to have matured. Taking on leadership responsibilities, in a minor league, has sat well with him.
I’ve always thought he had the talent. Might be worth our team to do their due diligence. I would expect we would be talking to everyone anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sidefx wrote:
According to Gettable we have been speaking to Sam Toner and Jacob Newton.

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-toner/

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/jacob-newton/



That is something we would do.... Ignore the obvious ready made players and go for what we don't need ....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluehammer wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
According to Gettable we have been speaking to Sam Toner and Jacob Newton.

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-toner/

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/jacob-newton/
Should get some run out of toner.



Nice :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I hope one of these guys can go through the midfield.
IMO, we need midfielders with run and carry, who can go forward.

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Jacob is a Midfielder/Forward, a small one at 179cm.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 9:10 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
According to Gettable we have been speaking to Sam Toner and Jacob Newton.

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/sam-toner/

https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/jacob-newton/
Should get some run out of toner.



Nice :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 9:20 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Losing Kemp has robbed us of that 3rd target forward. As much as Young tries to fill this hole he is not mobile enough.
McMahon has been kicking 3 to 4 goals a week in reserves why wouldn't you take him mid season.



I really hope we take him. Be gutted if Essendon*** beat us to the punch


I don't see what value he'd add to the list, we already have Charlie, MacKay, Young, Lemmey, O'Keefe and TDK who can play as a tall fwd, plus Kemp who is injured. McMahon woudl end up playing VFL same as he is now, but would be taking a list spot. We don't need another tall fwd.


I thought he was a medium tall? The type we need

Maybe I need to watch more

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Just checked & he's 6'6.

So my point stands. I need to watch more :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
When watching the replay I was struck at how quick Saad’s reactions are and how agile he is in always getting the ball moved on, even if he only has a split second. What do you all think about playing Saad as a small forward? He is solid in defence but he’s not as a effective as he used to be, and he’s couldn’t be any worse than Evans, White, Motlop or Fogarty.


If Saady was a stay at home small forward that would be insanely good. If he had to do the sperinting our small forwards are doing, I don't think he's made for that


How about if we play Saad as the deepest forward and make Charlie and Harry run up and down the ground?

Edit: So we have Charlie and others kicking into space around Saad who can use his agility to run onto the ball, NOT kick it on top of his head. Obviously this means we need players like Boyd and Silvagni fit to replace his position in defence


Sorry Sin - but suggesting Saad up forward is as close as bad as playing Boyd forward last week. The coach who suggested this - well .....


ANYTHING IS WORTH A TRY. Surprises happen when something unexpected happens.

Remember Steve Silvagni the high flying KPF who kicked a few bags....tried FB and became FB of the century.

I was always of a fan of Silvagni in the backline and midfield. But many before the season started s\aid he was too slow. Lucky Vossy doesnt read TC or BF. He's a keeper in defence.

Saady is elusive, quick and has the knack to make time before he kicks... has the attributes to be a small forward imo. Don't know what he is lacking as a forward that Motlop, White, Evans, Durdin, Fogarty, and Williams have. I'd have Saady as a small forward before all other than Williams, who incidently was a HB, but recruited FA as a mid, hence $900K pa. Williams was failing as a defender before being moved forward. If Williams could make it forward, I have no doubt Saad could too....but we need his run from defence. Maybe now that Boyd is back, and Ollie playing HB and Newman on the horizon Saady can be tried forward. Otherwise, he's needed back. I just don't think Saady has the stmina to handle the way Vossy wants his small forwards playing....in defence.

As for Boyd, he played on a wing in the Footscray GF team and played a lot of his VFL for the scrays at HF because of his great kicking skills: could find a forward target and kick a long goal. He became a backman because Carlton tried him there and it worked with his courage and dare.

Last week Vossy subbed Boyd on to stand on Blakey as Evans tired. He was only there for 10 minuutes and swung back as needed as Sydney were peppering their forwad line. He didnt get switched to backline because he failed a s a forward.


I can't see how anyone as one-sided as Saad can make it as a forward


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If you were going to change Saads position, it'd be on a wing.
His breakaway speed, carry and hitting targets is what we need to give better delivery into the F50.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If you were going to change Saads position, it'd be on a wing.
His breakaway speed, carry and hitting targets is what we need to give better delivery into the F50.


I don't think he has the endurance to play wing and run up and down the park all day. I see him more as a burst player, that's why I suggested deep forward.


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GreatEx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

If Saady was a stay at home small forward that would be insanely good. If he had to do the sperinting our small forwards are doing, I don't think he's made for that


How about if we play Saad as the deepest forward and make Charlie and Harry run up and down the ground?

Edit: So we have Charlie and others kicking into space around Saad who can use his agility to run onto the ball, NOT kick it on top of his head. Obviously this means we need players like Boyd and Silvagni fit to replace his position in defence


Sorry Sin - but suggesting Saad up forward is as close as bad as playing Boyd forward last week. The coach who suggested this - well .....


ANYTHING IS WORTH A TRY. Surprises happen when something unexpected happens.

Remember Steve Silvagni the high flying KPF who kicked a few bags....tried FB and became FB of the century.

I was always of a fan of Silvagni in the backline and midfield. But many before the season started s\aid he was too slow. Lucky Vossy doesnt read TC or BF. He's a keeper in defence.

Saady is elusive, quick and has the knack to make time before he kicks... has the attributes to be a small forward imo. Don't know what he is lacking as a forward that Motlop, White, Evans, Durdin, Fogarty, and Williams have. I'd have Saady as a small forward before all other than Williams, who incidently was a HB, but recruited FA as a mid, hence $900K pa. Williams was failing as a defender before being moved forward. If Williams could make it forward, I have no doubt Saad could too....but we need his run from defence. Maybe now that Boyd is back, and Ollie playing HB and Newman on the horizon Saady can be tried forward. Otherwise, he's needed back. I just don't think Saady has the stmina to handle the way Vossy wants his small forwards playing....in defence.

As for Boyd, he played on a wing in the Footscray GF team and played a lot of his VFL for the scrays at HF because of his great kicking skills: could find a forward target and kick a long goal. He became a backman because Carlton tried him there and it worked with his courage and dare.

Last week Vossy subbed Boyd on to stand on Blakey as Evans tired. He was only there for 10 minuutes and swung back as needed as Sydney were peppering their forwad line. He didnt get switched to backline because he failed a s a forward.


I can't see how anyone as one-sided as Saad can make it as a forward


He almost never gets caught with the ball as he's blindingly quick at getting the ball to boot, even while in mid air. He's also very agile and evasive in they way that Motlop is not.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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sinbagger wrote:
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If you were going to change Saads position, it'd be on a wing.
His breakaway speed, carry and hitting targets is what we need to give better delivery into the F50.


I don't think he has the endurance to play wing and run up and down the park all day. I see him more as a burst player, that's why I suggested deep forward.

He's played HB though, pretty much the same role with our game plan.
His career average is about 13.8km per game and has a slew of top speed records, including a record speed of 35.75kmh in 2021
He also has the record for highest average running bounces per game.
He'd do more damage than Acres IMO, Acres is a better defender anyway, maybe put him on HB instead.
At minimum he could play HF like Beau McCreery and be the just as damaging linking out of defence and hitting the goals, Cotters role essentially.
Either way, it's potentially a great problem to have with Cinc coming back soon.


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