Voss can’t fix the lack of depth in our list, he can only play the hand he is dealt. A new coach won’t magically fix our list either.

I expect us to win the next 3 matches due to out injury list massively reducing after the bye, whether we make finals or not depends on where our injury list goes in the second half of the season, if we keep it under 5 we’ll make finals for sure.

I believe we should judge Voss on what he does with a small injury list this season, if we keep it ess than 6 for the express if the year and miss finals then he is a problem, if the injury list blows out we can’t realistically judge him on results.

Hopefully we can add so e depth for next season as the youngsters gain experience. We have a good bunch of youngsters coming through.

The question that needs to be asked if not Voss then who.
I seriously doubt any of the names out there would come to Carlton given our history with coaches over the last 20 years.

Sinbagger is right Austin in the last 2 trade and draft periods comprised the list and left us with no depth.

I seriously hope it was a long term plan otherwise it was gross incompetence

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there may be a better way to utilise and get the most from this list? we wouldn't know.

what we do know, is there's been very little growth in our growth, gameplan and results in the 3 to 4 years or however long it's been.

6 wins from our last 20. with a list at the end of 2023 most pundits and commentators thought would be a top 4 list. best spine, midfield and key forwards in the comp


i can't help but feel that this list is under achieving and an archaic gameplan is the root cause.

To make finals we probably need to win 9 out of the next 12 matches which is unlikely, however still achievable considering we still play West Coast, North, Essendon* x 2 and Port x 2. Also our matches against the Lions and Suns are both in Melbourne. Freo (away) and Collingwood will be tough however we can beat the Demons and the Hawks are overrated IMO.

I'm still unsure about our youngsters - we have Jagga and HOF who looks the goods. Carroll appears a likely type. Hopefully the Campo's, Wilson, HOK, Moir, Charleston, Lemmey etc can make the grade.

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This list is underachieving. We are not growing. The trend since our losing streak started last year continues this year. Only common denominator is injury, but could it be more than that?

It may be under achieving because of an archaic plan, or, Voss may well be an average coach, but we're all just guessing. We have to deal with facts. If you keep making a case for our ist being top 4 and dismissing the impact of injury, like last year there was 20 out with Finals approaching, and the fact we haven't won a game with more than 8 out injured this year after discarding 3 injury prone best 23 players, then we will always be chasing our tails.

Like everyone, I'm at a loss right now braithy. Seething. I saw something that disturbed me yesterday. Moreso than the Round 1 game.

But the facts are we have a great spine and a great midfield group when "on", but we don't cover injury when itis greater than 8.

I'm sure the spotlight is on:

Coach
Asst Coaches
Game plan
S & C fitness and Injury mgt
List Mgt
List Balance
Injury prone players
Gaps
TDK
Trade Targets
Salary constraints
Contracts
Draft

Spotlight on everything.

I agree if we experience another 2023 run for finals and make it, we are masking the cracks, whatever they are.

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i think the breakdown of our list is unbalanced. too much replication, too many players who are conditional, too many that are injury prone and too many peahearts that fold like a kmart deck chair at the first little bit of applied heat.

Unless the kids are of similar ilk to the Baby Bombers in 1993, not all those kids will make it. Some will, and others may be depth players, but they wont all make it is a safe bet.

Kemp, Lord, Lemmey and Wilson come out of contract at the end of this year. We have our eyes on a few 18yo's, one FS and 3 NGA prospects to make room for. I'm expecting we will sign on 3 of them, unless they are taken higher in the draft than we are prepared to commit to.

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Just got off the phone with london blue. He said there's too much replication in our midfield group, injury prone players like Gov and Williams have been a bust, and my point was your last: pea hearts. Lackig competitive players who want to win and will do whatever it takes to win ... without following the Effendopes on Peptides etc.

Pea hearts. Softcocks. Mummy's boys. Conditional. Spoilt babies. Entitled.

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now you're talking baby. the goggles are off and you are seeing things crystal clear!

WE will find out, what we already think, at the end of the year.

Only depth we can handle is for 5 injured. We have 17 kids under 21yo on our list, and a FS and 3 NGA 18yo's on the horizon.
Its still going to be a kindergarten in 2026. How many skilled AFL ready players do you think we can get onboard end of this year? Five? That would be a miracle. We obviously need more than 5.

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Nah. I'm seething. I'm seething at the players on our spine. All of them. So I may lack a bit of logic, but I always know where you were coming from and the virtues of your thinking.

Fact is, we are all at a loss right this minute and we have the bye to fume and work it out...if its workable.

How are we going to get Charlie to care more about his performance on the defensive side of his game. When are we going to see chemistry between Harry and Charlie work week in week out? Why is Weitering not caring? What is Gov's role? Why does Crippa keep ignoring players other than Charlie and Harry? Will TDK ever be good against big rucks? What's wrong with the running machine, Walsh?

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too many chefs and not enough cooks. the chicken is raw.

You take 2 to 3 established players each year
And 3 or so draft picks.
Ask yourself this question what would we have looked like without Hewett Haines Cerra and Saad this year.
You need to be bringing that sort of player to the club every year and preferably 2 to 3 of them.

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He’s cooked. He’s got nothing else as a coach and isn’t evolving. Sad , as I felt he was going to be the one to succeed.

You can't, tackle, tag, run down or even put pressure on players that are quicker than you for a whole game.
The coach can't have defensive set ups when players can't get their hands on the opposition or are easily brushed off.
The coach can't have forward set ups when our midfield/half forwards lack the skills/football IQ to see and hit targets (as we seen).
Not sure what game you watched, but like the Hawks and Crows we are way too slow in the middle and across the ground and that would be fine if we had the skills to hit targets, but ..........
Why do you think our 1 wood is contested football.
The coach is only as good as the players and our team is NOT balanced, it IS slow and we also lack skill and football IQ all around the ground.
Just look at how out of sorts Weiters is without JSOS now.

You can only work with what you have and we have a handful of entitled top talent, bugger all quality mid tier players and a lot of better than VFL or kids.
We need to keep this in perspective, no coach in the league could've won that game with our team..........no coach.
I know this because that is all we have tried for over 20 years among half ass rebuilds, full rebuilds, over valuing our players and not addressing the evolving games speed and rules.

The only hope I have is that internally the club knows our list is screwed and that is why last year we had a rebuild trade/draft period.
And going by rumours if we loose TDK and a couple of other top paid players we will be doing the same again this year.
Make no mistake we are no longer in the window, our only goal is to remain mid tier for a year or two then have another push at it with fresh blood.

I doubt Voss is going anywhere and if we are rebuilding then I bloody hope he is not.
We need to stick the coarse to give ourselves the best chance at another crack at it.
Changing coaches, means changing game plan, changing players and changing trade/draft strategies which all take time.
This would put us back another 3-5 years and I don't know about you but I'm done with our 20 year plan of chop and change every 2-3 years.

Welcome to the depth discussion.

And yet he has out coached Scott the last 2 times we have played.
This is without getting gun players for chips and not having to pay them excessive salaries just to keep them at the club, oh and discount farms.

As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.