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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 1:16 pm 
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As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.


Yes , and we have achieved those stats off the backs of our better players . They are not the problem .

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Mickstar wrote:
Meekster wrote:
As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.


Yes , and we have achieved those stats off the backs of our better players . They are not the problem .


Interesting stats to read, other than the possibility of poor offensive structures when going in, which IMO is mostly due to player capabilities if it is.
The stats are not vindictive of poor coaching more of player skill and IQ.

If we have added 2 small forwards in the SSP and are now talking to another 2 forwards for the MSD, then one would assume the coaching team also feel like this is an issue.
Like I said in the game thread on the weekend, our forward line is shite.
It lacks speed, x factor, IQ, accountability, work rate and defensive pressure.
Add to that a slow midfield that is mostly under pressure when going into F50, which doesn't help us make the right decisions and is why the bomb and see how it goes approach is always used and is also why quicker teams always smash us on the rebound.

That's why our injuries have been such a big issue, our top players and mid players fitness are crucial for us to win games.
Our depth is weak at best, therefore no pressure is on players.
Not a good combination.


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 2:36 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Meekster wrote:
As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.


Yes , and we have achieved those stats off the backs of our better players . They are not the problem .


Interesting stats to read, other than the possibility of poor offensive structures when going in, which IMO is mostly due to player capabilities if it is.
The stats are not vindictive of poor coaching more of player skill and IQ.

If we have added 2 small forwards in the SSP and are now talking to another 2 forwards for the MSD, then one would assume the coaching team also feel like this is an issue.
Like I said in the game thread on the weekend, our forward line is shite.
It lacks speed, x factor, IQ, accountability, work rate and defensive pressure.
Add to that a slow midfield that is mostly under pressure when going into F50, which doesn't help us make the right decisions and is why the bomb and see how it goes approach is always used and is also why quicker teams always smash us on the rebound.

That's why our injuries have been such a big issue, our top players and mid players fitness are crucial for us to win games.
Our depth is weak at best, therefore no pressure is on players.
Not a good combination.


Weiters , Charles and Harry were poor against GWS yet we had them on the ropes for most of the game but just lacked the killer punch . Interesting really .

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 4:20 pm 
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Wallsy once famously confronted Mark Harvey with ‘what does Fremantle stand for?’.

I’d like to know WTF does modern Carlton stand for?

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 10:10 pm 
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For as long as I care to remember every football pundit has been saying it is the way we deliver the ball into the forward 50 that is the main reason for us not scoring.
This is not new we were complaining about this back in the Malthouse and Pagan times.
Dump kicks down the line and long bombs into the 50.
All those coaches and assistant coaches have know about it. The entire football industry knows about it. Every player that has been playing with the club knows about it.

So why do we keep doing it.
Surely the coach is not going to tear you new one if you spot someone 30 meters in the clear rather than taking the long option.

Why do generations of players keep doing the same thing.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 5:13 am 
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Our transition play is awful

No overlap run or creativity with handball

So we all know this needs to change and we need to become more efficient with our forward 50 entries

Now consider a forward line consisting of Motlop, Durdin, Fogarty & White. Carrying Four passengers before the game begins.

That is deplorable. No amount of run and carry will fix this mess.

No chance unless this changes. It’s been a stumbling block under Voss and it’s amazing it hasn’t been fixed. Desperately need a good third mid size marking forward and midfield goal kickers. A pity Martin was so injury prone as we looked at our best under Voss when he played well.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 10:23 am 
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And I imagine we will recruit another midget small forward tommorrow and then we add to our collection.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 10:28 am 
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Meekster wrote:
As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.


Fixing this should be our total team focus for the next month, forget about everything else


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 11:48 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Meekster wrote:
As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.


Fixing this should be our total team focus for the next month, forget about everything else

I'd like to be onboard with this, but with our current midfield and forward line, moving a pyramid might be an easier task.
Surprise is all I have left with this part of our game, hope is all but gone.
But in saying this, a good run with injuries will make a world of difference, but that is as reliable as a chocolate teapot.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 2:19 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Meekster wrote:
As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.


Fixing this should be our total team focus for the next month, forget about everything else

I'd like to be onboard with this, but with our current midfield and forward line, moving a pyramid might be an easier task.
Surprise is all I have left with this part of our game, hope is all but gone.
But in saying this, a good run with injuries will make a world of difference, but that is as reliable as a chocolate teapot.


And yet we were one of the highest scoring teams last year. (4th highest scoring and only 20 points total behind the 2nd highest) Our inability to defend was the issue. We didn't change the personnel overnight. The players that made us one of the highest scoring teams are still there. Our issue is we lurch from one extreme to the other too often. We attempt to master one phase of the game without adequately contemplating the inevitable resulting reaction. There is a balance to be found. It's up to the coaches to mix it up and move the needle. Otherwise the skills will continue to deteriorate. It's amazing how much the skill set can improve with confidence and belief.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 2:25 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Meekster wrote:
As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.


Fixing this should be our total team focus for the next month, forget about everything else

I'd like to be onboard with this, but with our current midfield and forward line, moving a pyramid might be an easier task.
Surprise is all I have left with this part of our game, hope is all but gone.
But in saying this, a good run with injuries will make a world of difference, but that is as reliable as a chocolate teapot.


And yet we were one of the highest scoring teams last year. Our inability to defend was the issue. We didn't change the personnel overnight. The players that made us one of the highest scoring teams are still there. Our issue is we lurch from one extreme to the other too often. We attempt to master one phase of the game without adequately contemplating the inevitable resulting reaction. There is a balance to be found. It's up to the coaches to mix it up and move the needle. Otherwise the skills will continue to deteriorate. It's amazing how much the skill set can improve with confidence and belief.

I agree with this.
With the 18th hardest run for the next 4 games, we will see if they can do it or not.
It won't change the leg speed of the team but confidence is a powerful drug.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 3:54 pm 
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the way we moved the ball in 2023. that 9 game win streak. oh mama. still mostly the same players. only difference was they were playing for each other, they were non-negotiable about it and they believed.


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the way we moved the ball in 2023. that 9 game win streak. oh mama. still mostly the same players. only difference was they were playing for each other, they were non-negotiable about it and they believed.

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 9:30 am 
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the way we moved the ball in 2023. that 9 game win streak. oh mama. still mostly the same players. only difference was they were playing for each other, they were non-negotiable about it and they believed.


First quarter against the Swans was pretty sharp too. We had some excellent plays into our F50.

Just need to give the flowers some viagra so they ca keep it up all night.

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2025 9:57 am 
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Braithy wrote:
the way we moved the ball in 2023. that 9 game win streak. oh mama. still mostly the same players. only difference was they were playing for each other, they were non-negotiable about it and they believed.

That was a good run, the game has sped up considerably since then though.
Martin played most of those games, we really lack that at the moment, a smart skilful footballer delivering into the F50.
I also think Owies has been a bigger loss for us this season than we thought.
He kicked 33 goals last year, had great defensive pressure and was reliable to kick a goal when we needed it the most.
He set a standard that doesn't seem to be there this year, I think we miss his on-field leadership more than anything in the forward line.

Aside from our lack of pace and skill by foot, we have a depth issue first and foremost, then we have an on-field leadership issue next.
You just have to look at the Hawks to see what Breust adds when he comes on, we should've been targeting a couple of ex-premiership players at the end of their careers over the last 3 years IMO.
It would keep the kids more accountable during the game especially when we have fadeouts.
The Pies recruited well in the 2023 trade period, adding a heap of on-field leadership to go with their Premiership players, hopefully Wright oversees this for us this year.


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camel wrote:
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the way we moved the ball in 2023. that 9 game win streak. oh mama. still mostly the same players. only difference was they were playing for each other, they were non-negotiable about it and they believed.


First quarter against the Swans was pretty sharp too. We had some excellent plays into our F50.

Just need to give the flowers some viagra so they ca keep it up all night.


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Mickstar wrote:
Meekster wrote:
As per the AFL article we rank highly in most important stats, just dont mark it in our forward line or crumb goals. Bit of method (coaching) and rubbish small forwards for mine….
BLUES FIRING BLANKS
CARLTON has gone from having firepower to firing blanks.
Michael Voss has a serious scoring problem with his side that, unless he can fix it in the back half of this season, the Blues will again find themselves in stuck in the dreaded middle – good enough to beat lower teams and those around them but without the plan and personnel to regularly challenge the best.
Carlton again peppered the goals against GWS but still lost by 28 points. Champion Data shows they are top six for defence and in their stoppage game, top three for territory, top four in transition both for and against. They have the No.1 contest game in the AFL.
But as teams sweat on turnovers in the modern game, Carlton can't do anything with them. They are ranked second-last in the AFL for turning an intercept to a score. They have the third most inside-50s of any side but are 11th in points scored. They're the worst in the AFL for scores per inside 50s this season.
They also have had the most kicks into the forward 50 of any side and yet they are 17th in the AFL for taking a mark from those kicks. Their forwards get more looks than a fashion show.
Charlie Curnow has kicked 24 goals this season, but nobody else has kicked more than 10, and as the best teams possess brilliant small forwards, the Blues have lacked at ground level.


Yes , and we have achieved those stats off the backs of our better players . They are not the problem .


Our stars really let us down last 2 weeks, badly, but lets not forget it was our lack of depth to replace the injured that has let us down with skills, stamina and smarts.

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2025 11:32 pm 
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President came out and backed Vossy today said that he will see his contract out to 2026.

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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2025 9:23 am 
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President came out and backed Vossy today said that he will see his contract out to 2026.

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Trade out big name player, keep the Teflon coach in Voss, what could go wrong


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one thing astounding me right now.

is in some of our losses our midfield has been badly outplayed. cripps has been attening 90%+ centre bounces, and only running one way (as BV pointed out)

and here we are learning a few bonafide teams will now chase walsh who maybe is open to this bcos his own centre square attendance is down 20%.

is voss unable after 4 years to get his centre square balance? cripps is effective forward, walsh runs both ways and goes in and outside. seems like a no brainer, shift cripps forward, let walsh have the keys to the middle.

is walsh not playing as much centre bounces due to his health? if so, trade him while there is still value.

if it's down to voss not being able to coach and get the balance right/ relying in his set in concrete favourites (same way he persists with doc, and the kids rarely get a look in) sakc voss.


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