They also had a number of premiership players on their list leading on-field.
That is worth a lot more than some people give credit for.
Just look at how valuable Gunston is for the Hawks.

Good point . And I reckon Jordan Lewis at the Dees and Luke Hodge at the Lions layer the foundations to the Flags that followed . If the Lions or the Pies want to unload any of there veterans I would be happy to take them on .

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Yes. I've said several times this year, rather than draft selections or shiny toys like Houston, we would benefit most from a veteran champion and leader who can inspire and/or whip the team into shape. We need whoever the current equivalent of Joel Selwood or Luke Hodge is. Do they exist? I'm struggling to think of one.

Sidebottom and Pendlebury

I thought of them, but they don't strike me as the type to bash heads together. I'm looking for a yard dog, a real mongrel.

Nick Vlaustin .

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A modern day Mick Martyn?

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A first year player didn’t take them from second bottom to top 4 on his own


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Haha, goddammit

Vlaustin, yeah maybe, though I feel like we have his equivalent in Newman. Who is there that can command the midfield and forward line?

These guys Kingy and Kane match up with what I have been saying for a while about Adam Cerra.

A good average midfielder isn't someone to build your team around, yet Carlton offered him a long term contract.

Weird.

Get some games into Billy Wilson (if his form warrants it in the 2s), Lewis Young at least offers versatility...he looks ok when playing more forward, Ben Camporeale has to debut.

So get some handball chains going, forward momentum with handball, it is what works, some run between the arcs, Motlop or Durdin (or both) and other plonkers to the magoos.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkMLAJgYQw

It's an interesting discussion. He's a good player...but does he hurt the opposition much? He looked like he was off with the fairies in the first half.

Would anyone say that Cerra has the potential to even be discussed as an All Australian mid?

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The issue we have is Voss is not a quitter, he is a ruthless competitor.
He will want to win as many games he can.
Also he has to, we sold our 1st rounder off so we need to win more games.
A taste here and there for some of them, but throwing them to the wolves won't achieve anything.
We've done that before, to death.

Kingy's point is right on.

You want at least a few games where he is rated one of the top 3 on the ground. One that takes the game and changes it. He never does it.

Ben Camporeale....surely he can at least be given an opportunity. He averaged 26 possessions in the national carnival. Has good form in the magoos.
Just get him in there.

You may be right about Camporeale. I'm concerned they're also butchers.

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Lucas Camporeale got 20 possessions his first match in, which is about what Cerra neatly offers each match.
Voss has to get games into these blokes...this game style with three small forwards isn't working. You can't have Fantasia, Durdin and Motlop in the same team. They are all the same player effectively. Small amount of possessions, Motlop ok at tackling and pressure, average 1 goal per match if that.

If he picks a team with Fantasia, Durdin, Motlop and Pittonet they are more likely to lose than win. You can carry two of these players, but not four. Youth at least gives you enthusiasm for one match.

There is no Selection Integrity what so ever when it comes to Carlton.... They keep burning the kids up in the VFL and eventually either delist them or they go on to other teams to chase success.

After such a dismal effort last week against the Eagles, we make only one change with Pitto in. WTF????


There are no excuses... the Kids has to come in... We are already looking to next year! Bring in Lemmy, the Campo Boys, and whoever else is on our list!


I am sick & tired of hearing " We still mathematically a chance ". We got ZERO Chance......

I get that, but Lucas hasn't really been lighting it up in the 2s.
When Doc goes back he did and the right thing is to pick the bloke with the best form for the position required.
I reckon if Cerra went back to the 2s he'd be the same, BOG.
That there is our issue, the difference between the norm in the 2s and having an impact in the seniors is too great.

We have a forward problem, a massive one and to make it worse we have no-one to replace them.
We have no good mid sized forwards either to help.
McLovin has stepped it up and is playing some good footy but Kemp was a huge loss.
The biggest problem with Fantasia, Durdin and Motlop is that they are not damaging and worse still we have no one to replace them.
Only White, who is more of the same really.

I somewhat agree.
We don't want to get wiped each week either.
Happy to slowly integrate them 1 at a time or revolving changes.
If the team as a whole was performing better, these changes make more sense because we can absorb it.

Would never happen but....Toby Greene

Voss has been bringing these kids for One Game and then back to VFL. It doesn't work that way. They need to stay in the team and get some Solid Games into them.

There is no point in Persisting with some of our Senior players. They are not up to it. They are taking a Spot that those kids need!