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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 11:56 am 
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Change it up this week for me.
Cripps forward, second ruck. The rules have (wrongly IMO) taken away the strengths of the athletic ruckman currently. The reason physical ruckman are currently succeeding is they can step over the line, block the opposing ruckman with their arm and not allow him access to the ball. The only prerequisite is they get their hand back to touch the ball. Shepherd and block as much as you want. Cripps could do that and then add value after the tap.
At the moment he is averaging less centre clearances than any of the prior 10 years. Pendlebury or Crisp usually do a job on him. Mix it up. Let's see what they do if he's playing around the ground as a ruckman.
Our issue is we're getting hands to the ball first but can't turn that into a clearance. Currently we get more first touches at stoppage than any team. Yet we're 17th for turning first touches into a clearance. Make changes.

I'd get rid of the crazy expectation for Cincotta to tag opposition mids without starting in the centre square. If he plays on Daicos, he stays on Daicos. If Daicos starts half back, by all means play Cincotta half forward. If Daicos goes into the middle, let Cincotta play in the middle. It saves the disruption of him starting half forward and trying to man up after the centre bounce, and his foot skills and aggression will be valued around the ball.

It also gives George and Cerra the opportunity to hunt the ball for a change. George has shown previously that when Crippa isn't the main target, he can step up and win the ball well. Cerra has had a couple of down games but he's still top 15 in the AFL for centre clearances. Plus he can get the ball from inside to outside with his movement.
I like the idea of Williams and maybe Fantasia going through there as well. Maybe even Durdin or Evans. Williams' record in the middle of recent is better than any of our mids. I love fast feet around the stoppages.
I'm also debuting Ben Campo. His kicking needs work and his decision making at times but I like his strength and intensity in the contest. If he doesn't win the ball, he's in the grill of his opponent with tackle pressure making sure they can't win it. Give he kid a shot.
I'm tempted to give Carroll a run on the wing but I'll stick with Acres.

Charlie at half forward. Gov is a good lead and extremely quick. Let him come out of the square.

Haynes Weiters Boyd
Cowan Young O'Farrell
Lord Hewett Acres
Cincotta Charlie F. Young
Fantasia Gov Cripps

TDK Cerra Williams

Wilson. B. Camporeale. Evans. Durdin Sub. Fogarty

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 12:28 pm 
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Change it up this week for me.
Cripps forward, second ruck. The rules have (wrongly IMO) taken away the strengths of the athletic ruckman currently. The reason physical ruckman are currently succeeding is they can step over the line, block the opposing ruckman with their arm and not allow him access to the ball. The only prerequisite is they get their hand back to touch the ball. Shepherd and block as much as you want. Cripps could do that and then add value after the tap.
At the moment he is averaging less centre clearances than any of the prior 10 years. Pendlebury or Crisp usually do a job on him. Mix it up. Let's see what they do if he's playing around the ground as a ruckman.
Our issue is we're getting hands to the ball first but can't turn that into a clearance. Currently we get more first touches at stoppage than any team. Yet we're 17th for turning first touches into a clearance. Make changes.

I'd get rid of the crazy expectation for Cincotta to tag opposition mids without starting in the centre square. If he plays on Daicos, he stays on Daicos. If Daicos starts half back, by all means play Cincotta half forward. If Daicos goes into the middle, let Cincotta play in the middle. It saves the disruption of him starting half forward and trying to man up after the centre bounce, and his foot skills and aggression will be valued around the ball.

It also gives George and Cerra the opportunity to hunt the ball for a change. George has shown previously that when Crippa isn't the main target, he can step up and win the ball well. Cerra has had a couple of down games but he's still top 15 in the AFL for centre clearances. Plus he can get the ball from inside to outside with his movement.
I like the idea of Williams and maybe Fantasia going through there as well. Williams' record in the middle of recent is better than any of our mids. I love fast feet around the stoppages.
I'm also debuting Ben Campo. His kicking needs work and his decision making at times but I like his strength and intensity in the contest. If he doesn't win the ball, he's in the grill of his opponent with tackle pressure making sure they can't win it. Give he kid a shot.
I'm tempted to give Carroll a run on the wing but I'll stick with Acres.

Charlie at half forward. Gov is a good lead and extremely quick. Let him come out of the square.

Haynes Weiters Boyd
Cowan Young O'Farrell
Lord Hewett Acres
Cincotta Charlie F. Young
Fantasia Gov Cripps

TDK Cerra Williams

Wilson. B. Camporeale. Evans. Durdin Sub. Fogarty


I like your thinking with the changes but I wouldn't expect that team to get within 8 goals of Collingwood.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 1:30 pm 
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I also agree with the sentiment, but I think that team is too tall at the back, especially for Collingwood. I'd bring Carroll for L.Young and make L.Young the sub. Fog is a role player but doesn't add anything in the sub role. I'd also be wary of the possibility that Weiters doesn't see the game out (if SOS was fit I'd tell Weiters you're "managed").


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 1:39 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Change it up this week for me.
Cripps forward, second ruck. The rules have (wrongly IMO) taken away the strengths of the athletic ruckman currently. The reason physical ruckman are currently succeeding is they can step over the line, block the opposing ruckman with their arm and not allow him access to the ball. The only prerequisite is they get their hand back to touch the ball. Shepherd and block as much as you want. Cripps could do that and then add value after the tap.
At the moment he is averaging less centre clearances than any of the prior 10 years. Pendlebury or Crisp usually do a job on him. Mix it up. Let's see what they do if he's playing around the ground as a ruckman.
Our issue is we're getting hands to the ball first but can't turn that into a clearance. Currently we get more first touches at stoppage than any team. Yet we're 17th for turning first touches into a clearance. Make changes.

I'd get rid of the crazy expectation for Cincotta to tag opposition mids without starting in the centre square. If he plays on Daicos, he stays on Daicos. If Daicos starts half back, by all means play Cincotta half forward. If Daicos goes into the middle, let Cincotta play in the middle. It saves the disruption of him starting half forward and trying to man up after the centre bounce, and his foot skills and aggression will be valued around the ball.

It also gives George and Cerra the opportunity to hunt the ball for a change. George has shown previously that when Crippa isn't the main target, he can step up and win the ball well. Cerra has had a couple of down games but he's still top 15 in the AFL for centre clearances. Plus he can get the ball from inside to outside with his movement.
I like the idea of Williams and maybe Fantasia going through there as well. Maybe even Durdin or Evans. Williams' record in the middle of recent is better than any of our mids. I love fast feet around the stoppages.
I'm also debuting Ben Campo. His kicking needs work and his decision making at times but I like his strength and intensity in the contest. If he doesn't win the ball, he's in the grill of his opponent with tackle pressure making sure they can't win it. Give he kid a shot.
I'm tempted to give Carroll a run on the wing but I'll stick with Acres.

Charlie at half forward. Gov is a good lead and extremely quick. Let him come out of the square.

Haynes Weiters Boyd
Cowan Young O'Farrell
Lord Hewett Acres
Cincotta Charlie F. Young
Fantasia Gov Cripps

TDK Cerra Williams

Wilson. B. Camporeale. Evans. Durdin Sub. Fogarty


Can someone just hand BV the reins! @#$%&! seriously. Cazzesman as the assistant coach. Bondi - team shrink. DannyBoy - chaplain. TC - selection committee. Effes, CK, Dadada, Doc etc in advisory roles and I bet we'd get a better outcome...and Keogh, Head of Retrospective Recruitment.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 3:07 pm 
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charlie chaplain? Image if the players entered doing that walk!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 6:11 pm 
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B: Haynes Weiters Hollands
HB: Cowan O'Farrell Carroll
C: Lord Cripps B Campo
HF: Cincotta Charlie Williams
F: Fantasia McLovin Fogarty

Foll: TDK Cerra Hewett

Motlop, Young, Durdin, Boyd

Sub. F.Young

According to champion data the key to opening this lot up is a long kicking game.
So we need good long kicks and Boyd, Carroll, Lord and B Campo can deliver on that from HB and the wings.
Motlop, Durdin and Williams can all rotate through the middle and Young as a utility.

I'd also be tempted to make Moir the sub and reward him for his VFL work.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 11:11 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
malbi wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Line in the sand time - Sacrifice Doc, Fantasia, Motlop et al. to send a message.
Criticise them if you like, but those three kicked 7 goals between them over the last two weeks. Curnow kicked none.

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Fantasia was one of our best against Port, and only multiple goal kicker. The message we'd send by dropping him is " I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more... except from Crippa, Weits and Curnow, who are bigger than the club and should be allowed to pick themselves even when half dead".


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:01 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Change it up this week for me.
Cripps forward, second ruck. The rules have (wrongly IMO) taken away the strengths of the athletic ruckman currently. The reason physical ruckman are currently succeeding is they can step over the line, block the opposing ruckman with their arm and not allow him access to the ball. The only prerequisite is they get their hand back to touch the ball. Shepherd and block as much as you want. Cripps could do that and then add value after the tap.
At the moment he is averaging less centre clearances than any of the prior 10 years. Pendlebury or Crisp usually do a job on him. Mix it up. Let's see what they do if he's playing around the ground as a ruckman.
Our issue is we're getting hands to the ball first but can't turn that into a clearance. Currently we get more first touches at stoppage than any team. Yet we're 17th for turning first touches into a clearance. Make changes.

I'd get rid of the crazy expectation for Cincotta to tag opposition mids without starting in the centre square. If he plays on Daicos, he stays on Daicos. If Daicos starts half back, by all means play Cincotta half forward. If Daicos goes into the middle, let Cincotta play in the middle. It saves the disruption of him starting half forward and trying to man up after the centre bounce, and his foot skills and aggression will be valued around the ball.

It also gives George and Cerra the opportunity to hunt the ball for a change. George has shown previously that when Crippa isn't the main target, he can step up and win the ball well. Cerra has had a couple of down games but he's still top 15 in the AFL for centre clearances. Plus he can get the ball from inside to outside with his movement.
I like the idea of Williams and maybe Fantasia going through there as well. Maybe even Durdin or Evans. Williams' record in the middle of recent is better than any of our mids. I love fast feet around the stoppages.
I'm also debuting Ben Campo. His kicking needs work and his decision making at times but I like his strength and intensity in the contest. If he doesn't win the ball, he's in the grill of his opponent with tackle pressure making sure they can't win it. Give he kid a shot.
I'm tempted to give Carroll a run on the wing but I'll stick with Acres.

Charlie at half forward. Gov is a good lead and extremely quick. Let him come out of the square.

Haynes Weiters Boyd
Cowan Young O'Farrell
Lord Hewett Acres
Cincotta Charlie F. Young
Fantasia Gov Cripps

TDK Cerra Williams

Wilson. B. Camporeale. Evans. Durdin Sub. Fogarty


If past history is any guide, our coaches will implement zero of the above BV. Daresay none of it is even a topic of discussion with them.

Best I’m hoping is that Voss and Co have been told to ‘release the shackles’ and implore the boys to play with more dare, spirit and instinct.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:59 am 
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That means the minimal of changes.

Out: Saad, Silvagni
In: Cowan, O'Farrell

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 10:41 am 
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At least three changes for Carlton this week. Jordan Boyd not at captain’s run, along with injured pair Jack Silvagni and Adam Saad. Matt Carroll, Lachie Cowan, Harry O’Farrell the likely ins. Ashton Moir, Marc Pittonet & Francis Evans also there. No debut for Ben Camporeale.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 11:07 am 
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Boyd as well! FFS


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 11:10 am 
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So much for our "settled defence unit"....


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 11:12 am 
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Effes wrote:
At least three changes for Carlton this week. Jordan Boyd not at captain’s run, along with injured pair Jack Silvagni and Adam Saad. Matt Carroll, Lachie Cowan, Harry O’Farrell the likely ins. Ashton Moir, Marc Pittonet & Francis Evans also there. No debut for Ben Camporeale.


Hang on, if Boyd is injured why wasn't he mentioned in last night's injury report? He injured himself getting out of bed this morning?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:05 pm 
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Effes wrote:
At least three changes for Carlton this week. Jordan Boyd not at captain’s run, along with injured pair Jack Silvagni and Adam Saad. Matt Carroll, Lachie Cowan, Harry O’Farrell the likely ins. Ashton Moir, Marc Pittonet & Francis Evans also there. No debut for Ben Camporeale.


I thought Charleson may be a chance for Boyd. Usually when they get a bit of Carlton media, they're close to a debut.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:47 pm 
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Effes wrote:
At least three changes for Carlton this week. Jordan Boyd not at captain’s run, along with injured pair Jack Silvagni and Adam Saad. Matt Carroll, Lachie Cowan, Harry O’Farrell the likely ins. Ashton Moir, Marc Pittonet & Francis Evans also there. No debut for Ben Camporeale.


Thanks Effie’s

I also had the same feel about Charleson. He was great in preseason, like Carroll. Last week he put his name up.
He’s another who should get a chance to play AFL given his rookie contract is up for renewal.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 12:50 pm 
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Surprised Voss will continue playing out of form players in the midfield. I say that bc I thought Ben Campo has put his hand up.

I believe Cripps and Cerra are not in good form. Apart from being selfish, Cripps was under the weather last week, so expect Cerra to make way for Ben. Only bc Priestly said we want a good look at our youth over next 7 weeks.

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Doesn’t feel like we are playing for a win this week.

If this game is anything like the 100 point drubbing we copped under Malthouse on our 150th Anniversary game, Voss May as well give the reigns to Hansen, as an official response to players “ you really didn’t apply yourself for the coach, let alone your own reputation and future”

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Boyd as well! FFS


Dropped maybe.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:16 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Surprised Voss will continue playing out of form players in the midfield. I say that bc I thought Ben Campo has put his hand up.

I believe Cripps and Cerra are not in good form. Apart from being selfish, Cripps was under the weather last week, so expect Cerra to make way for Ben. Only bc Priestly said we want a good look at our youth over next 7 weeks.


If HOF, Carroll, Cowan and Moir are all in maybe they thought that was enough young players in one go?

Edit: also considering it will be Wilson and F Youngs second AFL game


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:23 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Change it up this week for me.
Cripps forward, second ruck. The rules have (wrongly IMO) taken away the strengths of the athletic ruckman currently. The reason physical ruckman are currently succeeding is they can step over the line, block the opposing ruckman with their arm and not allow him access to the ball. The only prerequisite is they get their hand back to touch the ball. Shepherd and block as much as you want. Cripps could do that and then add value after the tap.
At the moment he is averaging less centre clearances than any of the prior 10 years. Pendlebury or Crisp usually do a job on him. Mix it up. Let's see what they do if he's playing around the ground as a ruckman.
Our issue is we're getting hands to the ball first but can't turn that into a clearance. Currently we get more first touches at stoppage than any team. Yet we're 17th for turning first touches into a clearance. Make changes.

I'd get rid of the crazy expectation for Cincotta to tag opposition mids without starting in the centre square. If he plays on Daicos, he stays on Daicos. If Daicos starts half back, by all means play Cincotta half forward. If Daicos goes into the middle, let Cincotta play in the middle. It saves the disruption of him starting half forward and trying to man up after the centre bounce, and his foot skills and aggression will be valued around the ball.

It also gives George and Cerra the opportunity to hunt the ball for a change. George has shown previously that when Crippa isn't the main target, he can step up and win the ball well. Cerra has had a couple of down games but he's still top 15 in the AFL for centre clearances. Plus he can get the ball from inside to outside with his movement.
I like the idea of Williams and maybe Fantasia going through there as well. Williams' record in the middle of recent is better than any of our mids. I love fast feet around the stoppages.
I'm also debuting Ben Campo. His kicking needs work and his decision making at times but I like his strength and intensity in the contest. If he doesn't win the ball, he's in the grill of his opponent with tackle pressure making sure they can't win it. Give he kid a shot.
I'm tempted to give Carroll a run on the wing but I'll stick with Acres.

Charlie at half forward. Gov is a good lead and extremely quick. Let him come out of the square.

Haynes Weiters Boyd
Cowan Young O'Farrell
Lord Hewett Acres
Cincotta Charlie F. Young
Fantasia Gov Cripps

TDK Cerra Williams

Wilson. B. Camporeale. Evans. Durdin Sub. Fogarty


I like your thinking with the changes but I wouldn't expect that team to get within 8 goals of Collingwood.
...or any other side we pick

let's mix it up as you suggest


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