Michael Voss senior coach since Sept 2021: How much longer?

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7741

SurreyBlue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Reluctance to use run and carry, Surrey?
Which players are you using to execute that game plan? The coaches role is to extract the most out of the list at his disposal. IMHO, that's what he's doing.

How many times do we see our players kick instead of handballing to a player forward or beside them BV?
Surely, you've noticed our players ignoring the run carrier next to them to kick. Mostly inside50 as well.
That is coaching and game plan execution.

The way we ignore leading targets inside f50 was highlighted on one of the footy shows a few weeks back.
It happens so often that it has to be to instruction.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 11323

Hornet wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Reluctance to use run and carry, Surrey?
Which players are you using to execute that game plan? The coaches role is to extract the most out of the list at his disposal. IMHO, that's what he's doing.

How many times do we see our players kick instead of handballing to a player forward or beside them BV?
Surely, you've noticed our players ignoring the run carrier next to them to kick. Mostly inside50 as well.
That is coaching and game plan execution.

The way we ignore leading targets inside f50 was highlighted on one of the footy shows a few weeks back.
It happens so often that it has to be to instruction.

Exactly. If a player doesn’t follow instructions they aren’t played. If a player isn’t listening to coaches they are dumped.
Enough said.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 7922

SurreyBlue wrote:

Hornet wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Reluctance to use run and carry, Surrey?
Which players are you using to execute that game plan? The coaches role is to extract the most out of the list at his disposal. IMHO, that's what he's doing.

How many times do we see our players kick instead of handballing to a player forward or beside them BV?
Surely, you've noticed our players ignoring the run carrier next to them to kick. Mostly inside50 as well.
That is coaching and game plan execution.

The way we ignore leading targets inside f50 was highlighted on one of the footy shows a few weeks back.
It happens so often that it has to be to instruction.

Exactly. If a player doesn’t follow instructions they aren’t played. If a player is listening to coaches they are dumped.
Enough said.

C'mon lads, this is getting a little silly now, sorry.
1. There is absolutely no coach in the league, the VFL, country footy etc that would tell their players to ignore a lead in the F50.
That is absolute rubbish.
2. If a player doesn't follow instructions then they should be dropped.
So would you drop Crippa, Curnow, TDK and McKay and who would you replace them with?
And if you dropped any of the bottom 6, the ones coming in are not much better.
We just don't have the depth.
Plus we can't just drop most of the team, we have to build on-field cohesion too and that only comes from playing together as a group.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 7922

SurreyBlue wrote:

I have never, ever said it’s just the game plan.
I’ve mentioned our list management - last 2 years delisting of experienced players for draft picks many times.
I’ve mentioned players such as McGovern, Acres, Saad, etc. being pathetic in what they output many times.
I’ve also mentioned our coaches being rigid with selections and even positions.
The greatest issue however is the game plan and our reluctance to use run and carry or even structure to execute.

Speed and skill => time and space => run and carry.
Pretty simple stuff.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 11323

I don’t know - I’ve known and seen plenty of coaches drop players for not following rules (some even in the AFL) :lol:

or for even wanting to make a statement to the group.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 7922

SurreyBlue wrote:

I don’t know - I’ve known and seen plenty of coaches drop players for not following rules (some even in the AFL) :lol:

or for even wanting to make a statement to the group.

I agree, but when you have a distinct top 6 players that you rely on and then nothing, you'd be a fool to drop them, especially when you are not winning games.
That is the conundrum he is in as a coach, damed if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The smarter way is to help them get out of their funk and push them to get going again, which is the way he goes about it.

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 8458

Sidefx wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

I don’t know - I’ve known and seen plenty of coaches drop players for not following rules (some even in the AFL) :lol:

or for even wanting to make a statement to the group.

I agree, but when you have a distinct top 6 players that you rely on and then nothing, you'd be a fool to drop them, especially when you are not winning games.
That is the conundrum he is in as a coach, damed if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The smarter way is to help them get out of their funk and push them to get going again, which is the way he goes about it.

Yep , we only have a handful of top liners . Get "em going .

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 7922

Mickstar wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

SurreyBlue wrote:

I don’t know - I’ve known and seen plenty of coaches drop players for not following rules (some even in the AFL) :lol:

or for even wanting to make a statement to the group.

I agree, but when you have a distinct top 6 players that you rely on and then nothing, you'd be a fool to drop them, especially when you are not winning games.
That is the conundrum he is in as a coach, damed if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The smarter way is to help them get out of their funk and push them to get going again, which is the way he goes about it.

Yep , we only have a handful of top liners . Get "em going .

Common sense in a sea on anguish is required at the end of year IMO.

Crusader · **Posted:** Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:45 pm

One thing Vossy needs to improve, more than anything else, is his connection with the club psychologist.

The leaders, to a man, retreated to their safe spaces before the season started & the rest of the group followed. They’re only poking their heads out now that the team’s expectations are shot to bits.

Dr Kavanagh needs to be on board with the expected outcomes.

Harry kicking around the corner.
Charlie wheel & hoof it.
Cripps running on ball all day.
Weitering welded to the goal square.
Every transition mid just booting it up the line.
Small forwards working high & staying there to defend a rebound.
Play on from the kick in & hoik it out to the nearest ruckman.

These aren’t built into the game plan. These are security blankets for a depressed group.

I know it’s not as simple as sitting them down for a self help seminar such as Troy McLure’s Get Confident, Stupid. But there has to be a behavioural correction.

Those four key blokes are with us until their days are done. No one is buying them in their current state.

BluesRockMyWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1396

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 8458

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

He might have the Dee's job lined up .

sinbagger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:21 am

Mickstar wrote:

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

He might have the Dee's job lined up .

Or perhaps a bet each way?

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 7922

sinbagger wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

He might have the Dee's job lined up .

Or perhaps a bet each way?

Or perhaps for his media job.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/business/property/former-west-coast-eagles-coach-adam-simpson-potentially-moving-back-to-melbourne-amid-house-sale-reports-c-19484685

Quote:

His media role as an AFL analyst at TV’s Fox Footy and radio station SEN involves regular travel back to Melbourne.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 7922

sinbagger wrote:

Mickstar wrote:

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

He might have the Dee's job lined up .

Or perhaps a bet each way?

Or perhaps for his media job.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/business/property/former-west-coast-eagles-coach-adam-simpson-potentially-moving-back-to-melbourne-amid-house-sale-reports-c-19484685

Quote:

His media role as an AFL analyst at TV’s Fox Footy and radio station SEN involves regular travel back to Melbourne.

Effes · **Posted:** Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:48 am

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.

Effes · **Posted:** Wed Jul 30, 2025 12:15 pm

Carlton the 4th most impacted team by injury this year according to Champion Data.

https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1950134177141006594

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 8458

Effes wrote:

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.

How about we honour his contract and back him in for the next season and see how it goes . Gives Wright a bit of time to observe things up close . Let the bloke settle in before makes some crazy rash decisions before he really knows the place . The pressure on Wright to be some sort of miracle working messiah is crazy . Give him a fair go .

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 8458

Effes wrote:

Carlton the 4th most impacted team by injury this year according to Champion Data.

https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1950134177141006594

Whether you like it or not , that has had a massive impact on our fortunes this year . And great credit to Voss I can't recall him ever offering it as an excuse .

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:15 pm

Effes wrote:

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.

The data is persuasive on this, isn't it!

Who knows what we'll do, although it does seem as though Voss could be safe.

daggs001 · **Joined:** Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:20 pm **Posts:** 1871

Effes wrote:

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

I saw a headline from a WA paper ( sorry I forget the name and the article is paywalled), suggesting Adam Simpson is (or has) moving to Melbourne and is "reconsidering" getting back into coaching. Now I'm not saying he should be considered for Carlton, but if true it seems like a big coincidence, at least timing wise?

History shows that second time (or more) coaches don't win premierships.

The last one to do it was flog Malthouse in 2010.

The hiring of Longmire or Simpson would be a disaster; they are both done.

If Carlton is to sack Voss, the replacement must be a first time AFL senior coach.

Longmire's last game coached was in a GF. I don't think he falls into the cooked category. A break and back on the bike
and he will be good as gold. We can deal with his GF jitters once he gets us there.

Further to that, we could do with the Sydney swans polish that Longmire would bring.

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