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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 11:54 am 
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Just catching up on the BF rumour mill.

Very reliable poster says Jack is gone.

Another rumour (made by someone who posted that Charlie wanted out a few weeks before the GCS news came out) says Cripps just wants to go back to WA and doesn't care which club.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 12:16 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Humpers wrote:

Our golden run in the 2nd half of 2023 was very enjoyable however in reality I think we were a mid range side playing with confidence and a lot of luck. Regardless I doubt that Cripps and Saad in 2026 will be able to recapture their 2023 form and probably the same could be said for Walsh and Charlie.
If we reject a good offer for one of our established big name players (i.e 2026 draft picks and/or younger players) then I think we will regret it - just like I'm sure the Demons wish they traded Oliver and Petracca last year. I don't know of any Richmond fans that regret trading Bolton, Rioli and Baker and they generally seem to be feeling pretty optimistic about where their club is heading.


Nah, I can't agree with this negative revisionism that's creeping across the fanbase about 2023. We set a record with 5 consecutive 50+ point wins in a 9-game winning streak. That's a hell of a lot of luck. Our form through the first 16 games of 2024 proved it was no fluke. We won 22 of 28 games, you don't do that with confidence alone.

Since then we've not had a decent bill of health at any time except maybe the Geelong win. In the meantime the game moved away from us as the umpires changed the interpretation of HTB mid-season to the detriment of contested bulls,and then there's the Stand rule... so our moment was lost forever, but it was real. Don't spoil good memories.

I agree that we should not cling on to all the big names, for the reasons above.


Agree, sill think 2023 it was ours to lose. Pies were terrified of meeting us in the GF and praying Brisbane beat us in the PF. Brisbane is obviously the better team since then, and their list management is better, plus their Father-Son picks have them sorted.



You forget that Richmond traded those players after they won 3 premierships!

This group has no chance of winning one premiership - let alone 3.
Even if we keep all our established 'stars' a bottom 6 finish is likely next year. We have tradeable assets which can be used to bring new talent to the club. As mentioned above I don't know of any Richmond fans who regret trading away some big names last year yet I'm sure Melbourne wish they traded Oliver and Petracca whilst they still had good value.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 2:28 pm 
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They get: Cripps & every last crumb of his remaining contract.
We get: 12(Haw), 30(Haw), 2026R2, Harry Barnett

Not that I want to entertain the idea, just that I think this would get it done.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 3:09 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
They get: Cripps & every last crumb of his remaining contract.
We get: 12(Haw), 30(Haw), 2026R2, Harry Barnett

Not that I want to entertain the idea, just that I think this would get it done.


Do you rate Barnett, or is he just steak knives?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 3:11 pm 
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BamBam7 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
They get: Cripps & every last crumb of his remaining contract.
We get: 12(Haw), 30(Haw), 2026R2, Harry Barnett

Not that I want to entertain the idea, just that I think this would get it done.


Do you rate Barnett, or is he just steak knives?

Can they take the Motlop butter knife too?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 4:00 pm 
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BamBam7 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
They get: Cripps & every last crumb of his remaining contract.
We get: 12(Haw), 30(Haw), 2026R2, Harry Barnett

Not that I want to entertain the idea, just that I think this would get it done.


Do you rate Barnett, or is he just steak knives?

I think there’s a player there.

Big tank, good intercept mark, full grown man.

One minor caveat… I had a fairly high opinion of all three West Adelaide bigs in that draft. Barnett, Lemmey & Scully, and so far they might all be a little bit gentle.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 4:24 pm 
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WCE get: Patrick Cripps, TDK compensation, 34
WCE give: 2, 12, 19

Carlton get: 8, 13, 17, 19, GC future first
Carlton give: Cripps, TDK and SOS compensation, 34

Gold Coast get: pick 2, 12, JSOS compensation
Gold Coast give: 8, 13, 17, future first


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 4:51 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
Just catching up on the BF rumour mill.

Very reliable poster says Jack is gone.

Another rumour (made by someone who posted that Charlie wanted out a few weeks before the GCS news came out) says Cripps just wants to go back to WA and doesn't care which club.

:cry:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 5:30 pm 
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Cripps makes sense - if you're gonna play for a shit club may as well be one in yours and your mrs home state.


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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So who bleeds navy blue? Not many of our so called leaders that's for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
BamBam7 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
They get: Cripps & every last crumb of his remaining contract.
We get: 12(Haw), 30(Haw), 2026R2, Harry Barnett

Not that I want to entertain the idea, just that I think this would get it done.


Do you rate Barnett, or is he just steak knives?

I think there’s a player there.

Big tank, good intercept mark, full grown man.

One minor caveat… I had a fairly high opinion of all three West Adelaide bigs in that draft. Barnett, Lemmey & Scully, and so far they might all be a little bit gentle.


Seems to be a growing trend amongst footballers these days! :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 6:27 pm 
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With HOF out for most of the year, Gov and/or Kemp have earned a reprieve for 2026.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 6:52 pm 
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With HOF out for most of the year, Gov and/or Kemp have earned a reprieve for 2026.

Channel 7 news have just reported that McGovern is 2 games off triggering an extension.
Not sure how bad his current injury is but with 3 games left it will be interesting to see if plays again.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 10:00 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
With HOF out for most of the year, Gov and/or Kemp have earned a reprieve for 2026.

Channel 7 news have just reported that McGovern is 2 games off triggering an extension.
Not sure how bad his current injury is but with 3 games left it will be interesting to see if plays again.


Let's hope he is two weeks away then

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Traveller86 wrote:
With HOF out for most of the year, Gov and/or Kemp have earned a reprieve for 2026.


And opened the door for Ethan Philips from our VFL side .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 10:39 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
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With HOF out for most of the year, Gov and/or Kemp have earned a reprieve for 2026.


And opened the door for Ethan Philips from our VFL side .



From watching him in the VFL, we could do worse and probably deserves a spot.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 11:15 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
With HOF out for most of the year, Gov and/or Kemp have earned a reprieve for 2026.


And opened the door for Ethan Philips from our VFL side .

Rather patch it up with Jack, to be honest.

Phillips reads it as good as any, it’s his disposal that takes him out of the equation.

Probably not such a bad year to be looking for a defensive intercept mark. We need one that sends it forward, not swing it back to the full back.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 11:29 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
With HOF out for most of the year, Gov and/or Kemp have earned a reprieve for 2026.


And opened the door for Ethan Philips from our VFL side .

Rather patch it up with Jack, to be honest.

Phillips reads it as good as any, it’s his disposal that takes him out of the equation.

Probably not such a bad year to be looking for a defensive intercept mark. We need one that sends it forward, not swing it back to the full back.


Agree, Ethan is a poor man's JSOS


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Hornet wrote:
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Gutting the list and going the draft will not work out well for us for reasons already stated.
Even if the coming drafts weren't compromised, history should tell us it didn't work out for us last time, and there's enough evidence with clubs like Geelong that you must strike a balance of draft and trades.

But I draw the line with making us a retirement home for ageing Collingwood players... we did that with Hawthorn not that long ago.
We are not close to a premiership as some may believe.

But no matter which way we go, we need to get the coaching group right.
The current bomb, bomb, bomb guys could even manage to make the '95 team a laughing stock.
Players are not happy and the football department needs a good hard look.
Culture starts with coaches and flows down to the players.... after 4 years, they have failed miserably.

You are talking like they are average players that are done.
Elliot has kicked 47 goals this season.
Mihocek has kicked 32.
They are the Pies 1st and 2nd top goal scorers.
Curnow has only kicked 32 goals this season.

Curnow would kick 100 goal at Collingwood...

Elliot & Mihocek would become opposition step ladders at the bomb, bomb Blues... and eventually cash out their retirement fund.

I'm all for attracting quality experienced players... just want them to still be around when our window reopens in 3-5 years time.

I very much doubt he would have this year, he's been carrying a knee injury all year.
He's missed a lot of easy shots on goal.
If you want a standard and culture change, you can't just rely on coaching or the club to make it happen.
Voss is one of the most experienced leaders we have seen this century and clearly it is not rubbing off on them, they need someone on the ground to step up and show the way.
I only seen the last quarter this week, but I thought Weiters was one of the few to do this.
We need that in the forward line and McKay and Curnow are too selfish to be leaders.


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