Yes.. but a blind man wouldnt ask you to help him cross the street either... hed take his chances with a cane..

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Whether we go for the AFL money or not it is all irrelevant. The AFL has been running CFC for at least two years now.

It doesn't surprise me that membership is down. Most are disillusioned with the Board.

The CFC is run in the best intersets of the AFL and not the supporters.

Nice to have you back Kermit(or is that Mr A?)

Seems that every post you make is on a thread that is having a shot at the Board/Administration of the Club.

Would a disclosure of relevant interest be in order here?

KERMIT.. now now you shouldnt be sulking about your MCC membership.. the commonwealth games are just around the corner.

And yes alot of people arent happy with the board but thats got little to do with leaving Princes Park...

But im sure some people would give the board a gold star too...

But i dont think you can measure the performance of the board on the fact that you cant use your MCC membership to get into the footy.

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Why do I get the feeling that Kermit is Larry...

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No KERMIT isnt Larry... Larry is mouse and MCBs... (when he doesnt have the guts to be himself)

Anyway... KERMIT is a good bloke who is spewing he doesnt get his moneys worth with his MCC ticket...

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I have read through all the posts and found all the contributions very enlightening.

If we accept that the club is trying to threaten supporters into becoming members then they must be desperate (and joking).

There are many members who feel that thier views were given scant regard by the club and board two years ago when the move was being debated. Being a member then counted for jack shit. The club did what the AFL told it to do so why be a member?

I go to almost every game and for the very few I miss I follow them on TV. I still love the club and will bring both my kids up to be CFC supporters. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the current board or administration (which are very poor and below average). And I don't expect everyone to agree with my views either.

I really don't know what people expect? When this board took over, we should not forget that technically speaking, the club was bankrupt. If it were a commercial enterprise other than the historic footy club that it was, it would have been wound up. The new administration in the early days knew the finances were bad but even they were surprised at just how bad. Every day they turned another page, looked at another ledger and found a bigger black hole than the one that existed the previous day.

Early last year, all players, coaches and admin staff were called to a meeting. From memory, Malouf called it, " At Stake - the Future of the Carlton Football Club". At that meeting, he made it quite clear to all that things were on a knifes edge. He put forward a 3-4 year plan. The plan though was based on a few assumptions. One none bigger than drawing in some badly needed corporate sponsorship. If all went as planned, Malouf stated that PERHAPS, JUST PERHAPS we would break even in 4 years time. He emphasisied that 2006 and 2007 would be worse than 2005, finacially speaking. Everyone at that meeting should have left the meeting understanding that we were no longer in the same league as Collingwood, Essendon* and a host of interstate clubs. Fact is, based on our balance sheet, we are lucky to be still holding a licence to play in this league. I can't emphasise that enough. This is not a game the Board is playing. Playing mind games won't get us out of this mess.

The corporate sponsorship that Malouf was so desperately counting on, has not materialised. That is well spelt out in Caro's article. All avenues have been tried, but the corporate dollar is clearly going to the likes of Collingwood, West Coast, Brisbane, Adeliade and Essendon*.

So, what you have today is a Board making a last ditch effort to save the club. Over dramatic? Some may thing so, but I assure you we have been facing the 'reckoning hour' for three years now.

As for the statements about the millionaire board members saving the club by tossing in a few quid. It just doesn't happen. These are not stupid men. Wealthy men just don't throw good money around - that's why they are in the BRW Rich 200 every year. Not because they are foolish with their investments. Put it this way, if they were to donate 2 or 3 million dollars to an organisation, it wouldn't be a footy club. There are far more worthy causes out there looking for a cash injection, like a registered charity that will earn the donar a big fat TAX DEDUCTION in the process. The Smorgans of this world donate to charity for no other reason than to minimise their personal tax payable. The last time I looked, a donation to the CFC was not tax deductible. It's not an ATO approved charity but with the way things are, we may as well be one.

So, don't read too many things into what is happening at present, except the obvious. No one is doing the CFC any favours at present. Especially the AFL which is dominated by men who have long memories and who clearly don't particularly care whether the CFC rises again tomorrow or not. There are new kids on the block (if you haven't noticed) and new frontiers to conquer in Sydney and Brisbane. We are no longer the flavour of the month. And quite frankly, the AFL don't care one iota.

No one will get us out of this mess except the likes of Collo and Malouf. They have made mistakes along the way but then who doesn't when the place was so run down. As someone said previously, cut them some slack. This is no longer a game for these blokes.

Sobering post preacher. Well written, and hopefully will make some people "think, then post"...

So why is Smorgon on the board.. he knows bugger all about the game.. he cant help find a sponsor.. and he looks down his nose at people..

And they dont have to make a donation.. they can advertise and thats a tax deduction...

Personally i dont think you can keep cutting slack forver..

If the board knew we were sick they should have dove for the cash... surely the AFL would have to give it to us if were that bad!!!...

Maybe we dont qualify cos were not that bad???

And for marketing the club is nowhere.. the logo nowhere.. there is no front man to promote the club...

the club continues to make backflips...

and its their job to get the sponsors... if they cant .. leave it to someone else... and if they cant someone else...

StKilda turned their finances around with a 5 year plan.. ours is day to day... lets win 8 games...

People wont stare at winning eight games in the face forever they want more!!!...

There is a lack of leadership.. the place looks dead..l in fact were a morgue!!!!

No money does not mean we cant be cutting edge at SOMETHING!!!!.. in fact being in the gutter will force you to get more creative..

there was a call put out for volunteers.. i know alot of people who did volunteer and the club never contacted them.

all those people on the BRW top 200 cant find a sponsor...???

well theyre not trying hard enough...!!!

3 years is a long time.

Govts have to come into power and make a difference in 3 years or theyre out inside 4.

Why do boards on footy clubs need 20???

yes the books were bad!!!... and by some reports worse than we can imagine....

but that needs vitality to turn it around... a vibrancy that this club lacks!!!

You cant use Caroline Wilson to pass on your stuff forever!!!... howabout abit of imagination???

Were a club living in the past... we need tomorrows men not yesterdays.

We have half of the BRW richest list to schmooze with...
We are in the AFL top 5 supporter wise...

and we are a morgue!!!


Do we have an obvious plan were working towards???

If so , what is it????

You cant not have a blueprint the club is working towards.....


Were chop and changing... abit each way.... depending on which way the wind is blowing.... well were stuck on the rocks so they better row abit...!!!

Cant agree with you this time preacher....

Time to go!!!!

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The only problem I have with this is that when we were successful, the millionaires were strutting around slapping backs (certainly that was the perception). Apparently the bible says the love of money is the root of all evil. Money isn't evil, it's a tool - pool together guys - use your money to make 1/2 a million people happy rather than just yourselves.

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Yeah alot of these people have benefited from the club contacts over the years.
They were right in there as the Presidents Men.. and all those coteries that have dwindled away to nothing almost at present.
It was ok to pay a few thousand when the club was going gang busters.. now theyre all hiding.. !!!


The club has eroded and it is decaying .. and there is noone to foster and galvanise the club back to where it used to be...

Collo is a bore!!!..the board has no face to it!!!...

theyre tired...

some of them just are not capable of contibuting.

Collo is a money cruncher not a visionary...

If you keep crunching dollars in the end youll be left with nothing...

I can just see it...

each AGM we will have cut the debt by a mill.... till one year Collo can get up and say "We are no longer in debt!!!"..... to about 20 members......


Elliot killed the club... Collo came in did what he had to do.. and now its time for a fresh clearkin with ideas and especially marketing skills...
someone who understands the future..... someone like surrey....

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Collo has always said he is not in it for ever, just to get the club back on track financially and the successor to take the club to the next step. So i don't care if the club isn't "marketing" itself at present, the bottom line is to pay off the debt and then invest into marketing programs. At this point i suggest we go after the guy who invented Valentines day as he has turned this day into the biggest commercial crap I've ever seen. Maybe we should turn the social club into a flower shop?

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All well and good to bitch and moan,what about getting off your backside and buy you and your kids Memberships?

Not a bad way for the ordinary Joe to assist in getting this Club back on its feet!

mjonc.. you cannot get this club on its feet without vibrant ideas.. a good list.. and just by cutting back on Danas job and replacing her with sub contractors.. and just slash slash slash.
Its a club!
People want to feel that their club is alive.. its a morgue!!!
Sponsors stay away and sooner or later members wont re sign... because its depressing!!!
collo should drive a Hearse and wear a black suit.

Were a cemetery

We need people that understand how to market and have ideas in making the club attractive.
When is the last time this club just did something pro active that you saw on the news and said "Thats my @#$%&! club that just did that!!!"???

The logo is hiding in some dark corner...
Were afraid to put ourselves "out there".
I supported this board but we need a change.
Change is good....!!!

Same ol , same ol .. is not that good unless youre flying!!!

There is no excuse to have a board with the same members for three years and with the plans on keeping the same people but cutting back on some and making it smaller...

Thats a joke!!!!

The club needs fresh blood and the board should throw itself open to attract fresh blood!!!

I dont care what Collo thinks hes doing.. and "its only till he gets us onto our feet"
... by that time we might be dead and buried.


New blood and fresh ideas better be injected into this club quick smart.

In my opinion there are very few contibuters.
Our vice president is a joke of a bloke...(for a footy board)
Our chairman of selectors wants to be everybodies friend and cant express what he really thinks.
Our president has no presence.
The boss of our footy department has never done an interview.
Pur coach is starting to sound very thin in the media...
We have the same asistants year in year out no matter how were going...
Players get signed up and described as "" the face" then theyre run down in the media and then after weve run them down .. we put them out there for trade.. of course we have already frightened everybody away from them...
....We keep guys we should have traded for the future.
...Cant get sponsors...
... forget to open gates for footy training.. so people coming in from Dandenong on their planned day in cant get in...
Jarusa cant get support for his site... because someone has to do abit of work.. (but not nearly as much as Jarusa does for the club)
Volunteers are told not to bother...

Its amateur hour at the club...

Thank goodness for young talent!!!

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The only person who really promotes Carlton is our full forward who cops a caning here for doing so.

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I think your missing my point. Collo come end of this year is supposed to have balancd the books and the set the club on the path to profitablility.

That was why most of you voted him in.

Come end of year the time is right to move in the new board who as you say will provide us with the direction to market the club etc etc.

Tell me what is the difference between Carlton 2006 and Collingwood 1999?

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Whilst I think Synbad is being a tad melodramatic, I think that most of his assertions are on the mark. The club is decaying. I'm not going to blame the board entirely, but we have poor public presence and very little enthusiasm around the club. It is across the board that we cant seem to have a positive presence made felt. I listened to Pagan this morning and his same old spin was their to be heard - dancing with your sister, no-one remembers February's champions, if my Uncle didn't have a dick he'd be my aunty, blah blah blah!! Left me feeling flat. Mitho was trying to get Denis to pump some of the kids and he didn't even want to discuss. Finally after further prompting, he spoke about Marc, Josh and Carlos. Almost reluctantly.

It is opportunities like this that our incumbents should be spruiking. I'll repeat what I posted earlier, but why have we not been able to generate similar levels of excitement as the ferals did with our picks 1 & 4? Talk them up like Miller and Terry did. Put them in the papers. Get the average supporter thinking about how these kids are the future. Get their spirits up.

I will hold the board totally accountable, however, if we don't see some definitive progress made on the redevelopment of PP. This was a non-negotiable condition of the push away from PP. I was for the relocation anyway, but they underpinned the move with this promise.

Also, someone asked earlier about becoming a voting member. AFAIK, you need to apply in writing to become one. Usually the club sends out the forms a few weeks before the AGM. I think I might be exercising this right this year

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