One thing’s for certain, whichever type we go after will be the ones most disadvantaged by the rule changes.

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@Bondi.

I’m a firm believer that we have the players and hence why I’m supporting them. With this list, we were good enough to play finals.
It was obvious after the Adelaide loss, the players lost belief in their game plan and the proof is which sides we have beaten since then.
I’m also a firm believer that we didn’t give them every opportunity to succeed by delisting so many experienced players.
Why would you change the medical - high performance person/program but also throw out the baby with the batch water? It’s either one or the other. At the very least, if we were in a so called window, as the club and everyone said, you give the new group and opportunity to work with the group for 12 months.
Now the club has come out and admitted its mistake but it’s also using it as an excuse for a failed season. That I don’t take well.
I believe our coaching staff have been tunnelled into one way of playing, that they haven’t evolved. Again, the excuse we don’t have the players to play the modern game is a load of bull. I’m sure most of you have played football and understand you can open up the game with one good handball to outside players (fast or slow) as long as the structure and setup is there to take advantage. Pace isn’t the be all and end all. Others sides don’t just have pacy mids, last years premiers are a great example of players just taking the game on and knowing how too. Look at their midfield of McLagauge, Ashcroft, Neil, Dunkley!
We are one of the worse sides to run and carry though the middle. All we do is keep playing the same players behind the ball and instruct them to kick it long to a contested pack, either on the wing or I50. Opposition teams all triple team our key forwards for a reason. They know what we will do and are confident in our play to not concern themselves. That’s coaching and at the end of the day, that is on the senior coach. Review my posts, you’ll find I backed Voss all the way until that Adelaide game, even though I wasn’t impressed with our selections.

I will back him in next year, but I fully expect, if he wants to keep his role, he’ll need to change it up, else we won’t beat the top sides and we will have wasted another year. I truly hope I’m wrong, as I like Voss and I’m happy to delay my Europe trip for finals action., but Voss needs to understand he needs to change his structures, setups and set the expectations and standards. He needs to become a tough bastard and stop playing players that need to be dropped. Its too late to do it when the season is over and no one cares.

Hope you are having a good time, as your not missing much here.

What have we become as a club. We are no longer feared. We are meek.

Fancy the club celebrating the 100th of a guy that is going to desert us. He looks really smug in that video too. He looks really uncomfortable.

The players too congratulating him.

Fans will celebrate him at the game tonight.

What have we become. I cant stand the guy now. I would have kicked him out so fast its not funny after a certain time of not committing.

Like we did with Henderson, loved that.

But we are a shadow of ourselves.

And dont get me started on Silvagni. He is not playing and clearly is not staying, so i hope his locker is cleared.

No Mercy. Its what we need to become again. The media is having a field day with us. Other clubs are like Piranhas circling our players.

My head hurts !!

Your head hurts ? Lucky you , my heart hurts .

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Oh trust me, my heart has been Carlton since 1980. I live and breath this club.

I even started getting emotional when CAL Toomey said TDK will let us know Tuesday - Wednesday he is going to St Shitna.

Let alone when i see Jack in a Collingwood jumper.

I know TDK is asking too much and he is not worth that. And we can use his draft picks, but hate losing to that mob. Like why would someone choose St Shitna over us.

And Jack, while i want to be rid of the Silvagnis, why Collingwood? And why would he hate us that much to leave the family dynasty.

Makes me worry that no one is happy at the club and we will never get better.

Which is why we'll be going all out to keep Tom. The rule change will suit him beautifully.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

No backsies, BV.

2/3 of the contests will be unaffected.

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Happy we are trying to keep Tom . Making one last ditch . We have done all the heavy lifting with Tom only for the Saints to reap the benefits of our hard work . Just aint right .

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The only way I see we keep him is if we offer him more money. The same with Silvagni.

If we offer obscene money then you put the noses of all the other players out of joint. That is what is happening at St Kilda now and to a lesser extent Collingwood.

Maybe the club are seeing if they can come to a compromise. I know I would try. How much would that say for stability if we were able to keep them?

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Silvagni

Has the time come for us to sacrifice. It doesn't go away and I'm with blue hammer, I'm just not that much of a fan of Curnow these days.

curnow - trade to Sydney for Harwood/fluent & First
Silvagni - compo pick

Money from Curnow to keep TDK
Trade Curnow pick for a above average small forward
Silvagni compo pick for Dean son

Out - Curnow, silvagni
In - TDK, Harwood (small forward), flurent (wing), Dean (defender) another small forward

Throw in a fit newman, jagga smith, Walsh, hollands

All of those players increase the quality of our starting 22 (7 not including TDK) is a massive influx of talent

I think keeping TDK needs to be abit of priority... More so than keeping Curnow. We need small forward to replace Fogarty/Durbin etc..

Sacrificing Curnow might be the price we need for everything else to fall in place. I would be really open to it. We must improve our list and he is one of the few that might give us the capital to do so.

Forward line of mckay, moir, TDK/HOK, williams, Harwood, Small forward looks alot better

Dean replaces silvagni, Newman into defence

Flurent/hollands on the wings

Jagga/Walsh into the midfield

Just makes alot of sense to me

We're not keeping Tom.

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And i don't blame him, but if we can trade Curnow, and throw some of it at TDK and spread the rest around .. I think we have to strongly consider, when also considering what else the Curnow trade might bring..

I still like the way Jack's grand dad Serge went about it. The man was a warhorse. Gave his all and more.
Jack's dad Steve, a great player for us but turned into a sook. Quite sad when you look at him now. Bitter man.
Jack ... probably following in his dad's footsteps. If he does leave he better be prepared for the shit he'll get hurled at him.

Don't stress there's others that love the club. Things will get better.

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Centre clearances are far more crucial than stoppage clearances with the 6/6/6. That's where the rule change will make a huge difference.

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So we won't need to play a second ruck to bodyguard him in those games anymore?

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Is there another ruck rule change that's been confirmed?

They're talking about no sub. So that means you can have five on the interchange bench and one of them might be a resting ruckman.

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Silvagni

Ah! I thought the no sub change meant only four on the bench, with no sub.

No. It is five.

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Silvagni

We have the best centre half back in the business in Jacob Weitering.

He is not a stopper ... he is not a kamikaze last line of defence player to dive on the line or climb over a pack.

We need a tall stopper.

If you look at Weitering best it is up between half back and wing chopping of the FIRST high ball that comes in.

Breaking that first entry makes us a far better team.

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