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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 11:13 am 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Firstly, as usual, great summary Cru.

Your last point is spot on. Club will argue the point if it has to, plus the fact Battle had same contract offer as SOS which got the Saints a band 1 compo, and both players similar age.

Hard to see us not getting a band 1 compo given SOS’ pay is top 5% of players.


Clubs don't get to argue point over compensation. They'll just get what they get.


https://www.afl.com.au/about-afl/free-agency

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Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

1st round
end of 1st round
2nd round
end of 2nd round
3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 11:37 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
If WCE & the Scum get band 1 for Allen & Draper, the De Koning pick will be #11 - 1,205 points. With the discount, we could match a bid at pick 10 before our next pick starts moving backwards.

Bids for Annable (clear #1 for me), Uwland & Patterson will move our first pick back to #13 - 1,080 points (GC surrender their first pick). We could match a bid at #11 with this pick.

If we’re still holding consecutive picks (13 & 14) & the bid comes from you-know-who at pick 8… we’ll need 1,299 points to match it, so all of #13 and #14 will move back 219 points to #19.

If the Silvagni pick isn’t band 1, and things pan out as per the example given, that pick probably isn’t on the clock until the late 20s.


I need to lie down.

I was lying down when I typed it up.

I still think we get involved in some kind of trade with those picks. The talk about a “weak” draft is absolute horse shit. A Vic recruiter’s fantasy because Metro got their arse handed to them & SA won the carnival.

- I’m convinced the Scum are chips in on Duff-Tytler, so moving ahead of Richmond will be their goal. They’ll get their NGA smalls in the 30s, but they’re in the market for 2027 points.
- Norf are incredibly sad about their position & we’re in the market for another pick next year.
- Filth “don’t want picks”, but they want both of their academy talents.

And that’s just the neighbours. Lots of jostling to come.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 11:47 am 
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GWS wrote:
CK95 wrote:
There's actually something ten times more full of shit than BF?


Yep.

Steve Silvagni.

When you orchestrate a trade that delivers
Cameron Polson
Patrick Kerr
Harrison MacCreddie
Jarrod Pickett
Caleb Marchbank
and Billie Smedts

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Zac Tuohy to go to Geelong
You would find another job wouldn’t you?

DeKoning and SOJ might be really good
But 2.65 million a year for 5 years
Hilarious
I wonder how Callum Wilkie must feel
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 12:54 pm 
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That’s list of Bondi’s is pretty underwhelming, do any of them play seniors regularly?

As for Trealor, I’m sure people will be understanding when he misses half the season with injury….

Does anyone know what players Connor’s manages at the Swans? They’ll be the ones offered in exchange for Curnow, they’ll be looking to cash in on any trade.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 1:05 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
That’s list of Bondi’s is pretty underwhelming, do any of them play seniors regularly?

As for Trealor, I’m sure people will be understanding when he misses half the season with injury….

Does anyone know what players Connor’s manages at the Swans? They’ll be the ones offered in exchange for Curnow, they’ll be looking to cash in on any trade.


https://www.connorssports.com.au/clients/


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 1:26 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
I like Treloar. Would be good for us. Was AA in 2024.


Yes , in the manner that Joel Macrae performed for the Saints which was more than handy . Would add finesse to our midfield . He also comes out the front of the stoppage to compliment George going behind the stoppage . Could be a very shrewd pickup .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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From what I can gather it seems we can expect the following:

Gain
Dean (sounds like we might need our TDK compo to get him)
Maybe Ison, Gresham
A few fringe players

Lose
TDK
JSOS
Elijah Hollands

Obviously a lot of uncertainty regarding Charlie however it's not shaping up as being very promising trade/draft period for us.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 1:58 pm 
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It's September 4. The first week of finals starts tonight.

The Grand Final is on Sat, 27 Sept 2025

Free Agency period: Friday, October 3 until the following Friday, October 10.

Trade Period: Monday, October 6 until Deadline Day on Wednesday, October 15.

Draft Day: Wed Nov 19 & Thu Nov 20.

My point being... it's so @#$%&! early. No-one should be stressing out yet.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 2:01 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
That’s list of Bondi’s is pretty underwhelming, do any of them play seniors regularly?

As for Trealor, I’m sure people will be understanding when he misses half the season with injury….

Does anyone know what players Connor’s manages at the Swans? They’ll be the ones offered in exchange for Curnow, they’ll be looking to cash in on any trade.


https://www.connorssports.com.au/clients/


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluechampion wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
That’s list of Bondi’s is pretty underwhelming, do any of them play seniors regularly?

As for Trealor, I’m sure people will be understanding when he misses half the season with injury….

Does anyone know what players Connor’s manages at the Swans? They’ll be the ones offered in exchange for Curnow, they’ll be looking to cash in on any trade.


https://www.connorssports.com.au/clients/


Callum Mills it is then…

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 2:57 pm 
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GWS wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
That’s list of Bondi’s is pretty underwhelming, do any of them play seniors regularly?

As for Trealor, I’m sure people will be understanding when he misses half the season with injury….

Does anyone know what players Connor’s manages at the Swans? They’ll be the ones offered in exchange for Curnow, they’ll be looking to cash in on any trade.


https://www.connorssports.com.au/clients/


Callum Mills it is then…


That Judd guy looks pretty handy


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 3:21 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
That’s list of Bondi’s is pretty underwhelming, do any of them play seniors regularly?

As for Trealor, I’m sure people will be understanding when he misses half the season with injury….

Does anyone know what players Connor’s manages at the Swans? They’ll be the ones offered in exchange for Curnow, they’ll be looking to cash in on any trade.


Des, I agree with what you say and not surprised to read that from you or anyone else.

The only names I mentioned were the peripheral players, who fills gaps for us, but you have to look at the cost and the upside too.

There's 5 weeks left before deadline. There's players in Finals on our radar, and as for potential stars you may have heard bandied about, they are real.

The point I want to make is that the club isn't sitting on its hands, and there's a lot of interest from managers in our club given we have had another wretched year with injury ( getting back a fit Newman, Smith, Walsh, Cottrell, McKay, Kemp and Curnow, and ridding ourselves of injury prone players), our war chest, and maybe 3 first rounders to play with, and that's before any deal is considered for Charlie, which the club has been emphatic about; he's staying at Carlton for 4 years.

I would guarantee you we will not be offering our 2025 0r 2026 first and second round picks for 25yo 204cm Reidy from Freo, 25yo 190cm Khamis, 22yo 186cm speedster Chesser, 24yo 180cm and 26yo 185cm speedster Petrocelli. Khamis may cost us a F2. The others pick 4, 4, F3 and 0, and the price we set. We only want players who want to be at Carlton, and fill an important role.

Now, what do you think we will do with 3 first rounders? That's what we should all be excited about.

As for Treloar, he's waiting to hear from the Doggies who have a plethora of great midfielders who want games. One of those is a future superstar called sanders, who made way for Treloar when fit. Treloar had a great run with injury for years prior to 2025, and was an AA last year, and he missed most of this season because he was mismanaged. Same injury every time. He looked great when he played. Is he worth the risk if we get him cheap (this is the last year Pies subsidise the $300K of his salary)?

Some fans seem to get all precious about trading often injured players who rarely were fit this year, let alone previous years, like McKay ($900k), Curnow ($900K), SOS ($650K), and welcoming back with Cottrell, Smith, Kemp and Newman with open arms and teary eyes. Treloar would be great for Jagga's development, whilst Walsh takes care of Lord and B.Campo. If we make Finals, and we manage Treloar properly, we can have him primed for Finals. Heaven forbid. Why would Geelong take on a player with a shocking history with injury in Jack Martin. Sometimes its worth the cost. I hope we can get him. He could be ours too.

With the TDK compo heading to the best mid available (you know the names), possibly trading a second First rounder for another star mid (might be 2 firsts for the one mid :roll: ) Jagga Smith returning, Walsh returning, Lord cementing his spot, Cerra becomes surplus, and we can afford to give a spot to Treloar, as back up, and if fit, an improvement on Cerra, Smith and Lord. I know its not earth shattering, but if we could it could get him onboard he should turn out fantastic, just like DeGoey is for Pies, and Haynes was for us in 2025. We have a need for speed.

We need quality depth, and we need to add quality across every line, to ensure we have dependable back up when needed. Something we should have realised the importance of iby now given n the last 2 years.

I just spent half an hour on phone with sinbagger sharing the names who may or may not come to us come seasons end, and some of the surprise trades brewing for months. As for the Swans Charlie situation, Charlie will do whatever our club needs, and you couldnt ask for more than that. There's may be interesting meeting taking place next week with a Swans player, a long shot, but Swans are desperate for a marketable KPF with charisma. Everyone has a price. What are the Swans prepared to pay? They are willing to talk, so what does that say? We are sitting on our hands?

What I can tell you, is there will be 17 teams disappointed in the outcome of this season, and the same next season. Nothing is guaranteed. We can only go up, such was this shitness of this season, and the club are doing something about it. Lets see what happens.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 3:28 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
I like Treloar. Would be good for us. Was AA in 2024.


:thumbsup:

Nothing to lose.

Improvement on Fantasia, Docherty, Hollands, White ... Binns, Evans, Fogarty, Motlop, Durdin, F. Young. Shit we are carrying that last lot, and happy to have Fantasia and docherty as depth last year.

Its not a done deal.

He's a recent AA. That's the point. He hasnt fallen off the earth.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Bondi. Your post has certainly given me hope. We hope !!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 3:31 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Firstly, as usual, great summary Cru.

Your last point is spot on. Club will argue the point if it has to, plus the fact Battle had same contract offer as SOS which got the Saints a band 1 compo, and both players similar age.

Hard to see us not getting a band 1 compo given SOS’ pay is top 5% of players.


Clubs don't get to argue point over compensation. They'll just get what they get.


You may be right Doc. You are closer to these things than me. I'm just a band mole.

I think the AFL has introduced an opportunity for clubs to plead a case, and maybe appeal, prior to the public release.

I heard something like this in the last week.

Someone even joked about the Carlton's KC.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2025 3:33 pm 
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GWS wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
That’s list of Bondi’s is pretty underwhelming, do any of them play seniors regularly?

As for Trealor, I’m sure people will be understanding when he misses half the season with injury….

Does anyone know what players Connor’s manages at the Swans? They’ll be the ones offered in exchange for Curnow, they’ll be looking to cash in on any trade.


https://www.connorssports.com.au/clients/


Callum Mills it is then…



Why wouldn't it be Players Ink? :wink:

We are talking to them about players and ex coaches. Why wouldn't we? We talk to everyone through Austin and Wright.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Drewgirl wrote:
Treloar the one who picked Collingwood over the team he barracked for as a kid.

The one they are saying is washed up.

Coming to us for some retirement money. Thats great. Dont know about this, hope we know what we are doing.


This post of yours really saddened me.
I feel your pain and despondence with the club.
Cheer up.

Treloar is not washed up, and he's not ours yet. We will be lucky to get him for steak knives or DFA

Chris Davies is on board too.

Treloar was a Carlton supporter growing up....not Tigers as Chat GPT suggests.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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My mail on Treloar is that, after his last calf, the discussion was heading towards season over & one year extension. Start a six month rehab in June.

Whether that was put to the player, I couldn’t say. But, they ended up taking a run at finals instead.

Now, the situation is that IF he gets through VFL finals, he’s got a deal waiting for him.

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Given it some thought and agree Treloar would be a good get. He definitely hasn't looked cooked when he's played. Haynes is a good comparison. Many thought he was done after his gut problems and getting set aside for GWS's ridiculous young tall defender corps. What's he like as a leader and/or a mongrel? That could be the clincher for me. Not concerned about age if we're not giving up significant draft or player capital.


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https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc- ... am-treloar

I have always been a fan.

Prior to this year's injury, he has had great stats overall

2024 - 23 games - Ave 31 Disp
2023 - 19 - 29
2022 - 22 - 27
2021 - 17 - 23

That's a good body of work. Pretty rock solid 22, 23, 24.

● Ranked 1st in Disposals Per Game in 2024
● Ranked 3rd in Uncontested Possessions Per Game in 2024
● Ranked 4th in Effective Disposals Per Game in 2024
● Ranked 4th in Handballs Per Game in 2024
● Ranked 6th in AFL Fantasy Score Per Game in 2024
● Ranked 8th in Turnovers Per Game in 2024
● Ranked 9th in Supercoach Score Per Game in 2024
Ranked 10th in Stoppage Clearances Per Game in 2024
● Ranked 4th in Total Disposals in 2024
● Ranked 4th in Total Handballs in 2024
● Ranked 5th in Total Effective Disposals in 2024
● Ranked 5th in Total Uncontested Possessions in 2024

Also in 2024
40 disps (20 kicks 20 hballs) and 4 marks in Rd 20 39-pt win over Sydney at the SCG (28 Jul 2024)
31 disps (19 kicks 12 hballs), 6 marks, 8 tackles and 3 goals in Rd 19 47-pt win over Geelong at GMHBA Stadium (20 Jul 2024)
41 disps (23 kicks 18 hballs), 7 marks, 5 tackles and a goal in Rd 9 91-pt win over Richmond at the MCG (11 May 2024)

2 years at @ $500,000 per, if he comes cheap trade wise.

Regards Cazzesman

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