I like him as a player. I just don't think his attributes are particularly high in demand for our list right now - he doesn't offer much that Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh don't already offer. I don't think he's particularly quick and nothing about our soft tissue injury management fills me with any confidence we'd see it.

Another rotation to add for a midfield that's already way too one-dimensional to play anywhere else on the park, and already deficient in leg speed.

If one of the above 4 is out the door too, I'm cautiously optimistic that the pros outweigh the cons and he's a better option than the rest on the market.

Essendon* cheated, simple as that

Des, I agree with what you say and not surprised to read that from you or anyone else.

The only names I mentioned were the peripheral players, who fills gaps for us, but you have to look at the cost and the upside too.

There's 5 weeks left before deadline. There's players in Finals on our radar, and as for potential stars you may have heard bandied about, they are real.

The point I want to make is that the club isn't sitting on its hands, and there's a lot of interest from managers in our club given we have had another wretched year with injury ( getting back a fit Newman, Smith, Walsh, Cottrell, McKay, Kemp and Curnow, and ridding ourselves of injury prone players), our war chest, and maybe 3 first rounders to play with, and that's before any deal is considered for Charlie, which the club has been emphatic about; he's staying at Carlton for 4 years.

I would guarantee you we will not be offering our 2025 0r 2026 first and second round picks for 25yo 204cm Reidy from Freo, 25yo 190cm Khamis, 22yo 186cm speedster Chesser, 24yo 180cm and 26yo 185cm speedster Petrocelli. Khamis may cost us a F2. The others pick 4, 4, F3 and 0, and the price we set. We only want players who want to be at Carlton, and fill an important role.

Now, what do you think we will do with 3 first rounders? That's what we should all be excited about.

As for Treloar, he's waiting to hear from the Doggies who have a plethora of great midfielders who want games. One of those is a future superstar called sanders, who made way for Treloar when fit. Treloar had a great run with injury for years prior to 2025, and was an AA last year, and he missed most of this season because he was mismanaged. Same injury every time. He looked great when he played. Is he worth the risk if we get him cheap (this is the last year Pies subsidise the $300K of his salary)?

Some fans seem to get all precious about trading often injured players who rarely were fit this year, let alone previous years, like McKay ($900k), Curnow ($900K), SOS ($650K), and welcoming back with Cottrell, Smith, Kemp and Newman with open arms and teary eyes. Treloar would be great for Jagga's development, whilst Walsh takes care of Lord and B.Campo. If we make Finals, and we manage Treloar properly, we can have him primed for Finals. Heaven forbid. Why would Geelong take on a player with a shocking history with injury in Jack Martin. Sometimes its worth the cost. I hope we can get him. He could be ours too.

With the TDK compo heading to the best mid available (you know the names), possibly trading a second First rounder for another star mid (might be 2 firsts for the one mid ) Jagga Smith returning, Walsh returning, Lord cementing his spot, Cerra becomes surplus, and we can afford to give a spot to Treloar, as back up, and if fit, an improvement on Cerra, Smith and Lord. I know its not earth shattering, but if we could it could get him onboard he should turn out fantastic, just like DeGoey is for Pies, and Haynes was for us in 2025. We have a need for speed.

We need quality depth, and we need to add quality across every line, to ensure we have dependable back up when needed. Something we should have realised the importance of iby now given n the last 2 years.

I just spent half an hour on phone with sinbagger sharing the names who may or may not come to us come seasons end, and some of the surprise trades brewing for months. As for the Swans Charlie situation, Charlie will do whatever our club needs, and you couldnt ask for more than that. There's may be interesting meeting taking place next week with a Swans player, a long shot, but Swans are desperate for a marketable KPF with charisma. Everyone has a price. What are the Swans prepared to pay? They are willing to talk, so what does that say? We are sitting on our hands?

What I can tell you, is there will be 17 teams disappointed in the outcome of this season, and the same next season. Nothing is guaranteed. We can only go up, such was this shitness of this season, and the club are doing something about it. Lets see what happens.

Interesting listening to Michael Voss and Sam Docherty giving interviews over the past 24 hours.
Firstly, Voss talks about the club making a decision to move on from the players who had durability issues at the end of last year. No doubt those players provided skill and value when on the park but they didn't get on the park often enough.
Then there was the decision to take Jagga. HOF and the Campo's instead of taking Houston and topping up with other experienced bodies. (Although Haynes was as experienced as any pick up)

Then you listen to Docherty. The feeling I get is that some of the players wanted to top up with senior bodies and have a tilt at the flag. He talks about some sections of the club not being on the same page. The question of players feeling "valued".
SB has spoken a few times this year about the club cutting too deep. It sounds like some of the senior players felt the same way.
Docherty infers that he wasn't on the page of getting Jagga and questions list management decisions. He also infers that well run clubs don't lose players.

Out of all the info provided, I'm glad the club did what it did. As Voss says, all decisions going forward are with a Carlton first attitude. If the senior players don't like it. @#$%&! them. Sustained success should always be the goal.

I noticed something interesting after the Collingwood game last night. McRae referred to the philosophy that there's a difference between being fit to play, and being fit to perform.

This is definitely something our players have struggled with.

I'd take Conor O'Sullivan and their first round pick for Charlie.

Interesting listening to Michael Voss and Sam Docherty giving interviews over the past 24 hours.
Firstly, Voss talks about the club making a decision to move on from the players who had durability issues at the end of last year. No doubt those players provided skill and value when on the park but they didn't get on the park often enough.
Then there was the decision to take Jagga. HOF and the Campo's instead of taking Houston and topping up with other experienced bodies. (Although Haynes was as experienced as any pick up)

Then you listen to Docherty. The feeling I get is that some of the players wanted to top up with senior bodies and have a tilt at the flag. He talks about some sections of the club not being on the same page. The question of players feeling "valued".
SB has spoken a few times this year about the club cutting too deep. It sounds like some of the senior players felt the same way.
Docherty infers that he wasn't on the page of getting Jagga and questions list management decisions. He also infers that well run clubs don't lose players.

Out of all the info provided, I'm glad the club did what it did. As Voss says, all decisions going forward are with a Carlton first attitude. If the senior players don't like it. @#$%&! them. Sustained success should always be the goal.

For mine, it is just more evidence that we are so far from an elite professional sporting organisation it’s not funny.

Can only hope that this is finally a true line in the sand and culture reset we desperately need.

Des, I agree with what you say and not surprised to read that from you or anyone else.

The only names I mentioned were the peripheral players, who fills gaps for us, but you have to look at the cost and the upside too.

There's 5 weeks left before deadline. There's players in Finals on our radar, and as for potential stars you may have heard bandied about, they are real.

The point I want to make is that the club isn't sitting on its hands, and there's a lot of interest from managers in our club given we have had another wretched year with injury ( getting back a fit Newman, Smith, Walsh, Cottrell, McKay, Kemp and Curnow, and ridding ourselves of injury prone players), our war chest, and maybe 3 first rounders to play with, and that's before any deal is considered for Charlie, which the club has been emphatic about; he's staying at Carlton for 4 years.

I would guarantee you we will not be offering our 2025 0r 2026 first and second round picks for 25yo 204cm Reidy from Freo, 25yo 190cm Khamis, 22yo 186cm speedster Chesser, 24yo 180cm and 26yo 185cm speedster Petrocelli. Khamis may cost us a F2. The others pick 4, 4, F3 and 0, and the price we set. We only want players who want to be at Carlton, and fill an important role.

Now, what do you think we will do with 3 first rounders? That's what we should all be excited about.

As for Treloar, he's waiting to hear from the Doggies who have a plethora of great midfielders who want games. One of those is a future superstar called sanders, who made way for Treloar when fit. Treloar had a great run with injury for years prior to 2025, and was an AA last year, and he missed most of this season because he was mismanaged. Same injury every time. He looked great when he played. Is he worth the risk if we get him cheap (this is the last year Pies subsidise the $300K of his salary)?

Some fans seem to get all precious about trading often injured players who rarely were fit this year, let alone previous years, like McKay ($900k), Curnow ($900K), SOS ($650K), and welcoming back with Cottrell, Smith, Kemp and Newman with open arms and teary eyes. Treloar would be great for Jagga's development, whilst Walsh takes care of Lord and B.Campo. If we make Finals, and we manage Treloar properly, we can have him primed for Finals. Heaven forbid. Why would Geelong take on a player with a shocking history with injury in Jack Martin. Sometimes its worth the cost. I hope we can get him. He could be ours too.

With the TDK compo heading to the best mid available (you know the names), possibly trading a second First rounder for another star mid (might be 2 firsts for the one mid ) Jagga Smith returning, Walsh returning, Lord cementing his spot, Cerra becomes surplus, and we can afford to give a spot to Treloar, as back up, and if fit, an improvement on Cerra, Smith and Lord. I know its not earth shattering, but if we could it could get him onboard he should turn out fantastic, just like DeGoey is for Pies, and Haynes was for us in 2025. We have a need for speed.

We need quality depth, and we need to add quality across every line, to ensure we have dependable back up when needed. Something we should have realised the importance of iby now given n the last 2 years.

I just spent half an hour on phone with sinbagger sharing the names who may or may not come to us come seasons end, and some of the surprise trades brewing for months. As for the Swans Charlie situation, Charlie will do whatever our club needs, and you couldnt ask for more than that. There's may be interesting meeting taking place next week with a Swans player, a long shot, but Swans are desperate for a marketable KPF with charisma. Everyone has a price. What are the Swans prepared to pay? They are willing to talk, so what does that say? We are sitting on our hands?

What I can tell you, is there will be 17 teams disappointed in the outcome of this season, and the same next season. Nothing is guaranteed. We can only go up, such was this shitness of this season, and the club are doing something about it. Lets see what happens.

Interesting listening to Michael Voss and Sam Docherty giving interviews over the past 24 hours.
Firstly, Voss talks about the club making a decision to move on from the players who had durability issues at the end of last year. No doubt those players provided skill and value when on the park but they didn't get on the park often enough.
Then there was the decision to take Jagga. HOF and the Campo's instead of taking Houston and topping up with other experienced bodies. (Although Haynes was as experienced as any pick up)

Then you listen to Docherty. The feeling I get is that some of the players wanted to top up with senior bodies and have a tilt at the flag. He talks about some sections of the club not being on the same page. The question of players feeling "valued".
SB has spoken a few times this year about the club cutting too deep. It sounds like some of the senior players felt the same way.
Docherty infers that he wasn't on the page of getting Jagga and questions list management decisions. He also infers that well run clubs don't lose players.

Out of all the info provided, I'm glad the club did what it did. As Voss says, all decisions going forward are with a Carlton first attitude. If the senior players don't like it. @#$%&! them. Sustained success should always be the goal.