Blues vote to ask for $1m AFL handout

Now this thread will get even more interesting.

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I'd also like to know why our financials are the last of the AFL Clubs to be released. Up to 3 months behind every other club.

Surely, reporting our 2005 results 2-3 weeks prior to the beginning of a season is absurd from a marketing perspective.

I can see Collo now (again, or is it still?), "we'd like to announce a loss of $1M - hurry up and get your memberships........."

Our sponsors would be rapt........

Preacher, its good to see were keeping the club under wraps.. and were not going to fall for the Dapper marketing campaigns other clubs are using in case the pressure builds.

I wouldnt compare what we have with what Mathews does BTW.

we dont have anything..


...and Mathews has 3 premierships and 4 GF appearances under his belt over the last 5 years.



Lets go the gently softly approach then... no media... (unless its Caro) and certainly no noise....just deadly silence.

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Taking the money from the AFL now is pretty shattering news. If the club needed it then it should of been done in 2002/2003.
Now it really feels like the club has progressed nowhere since 2002.
I think the club board has to take responsibility for this.

This is a disgrace!! Carlton Football Club begging for money!!! DISGRACE!!!

Collins & co. MUST GO!!!!

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There's so much I could say...

Whilst there are several here strongly anti the Board and are calling for their dismissal i'm yet to see them come up with any alternatives.

Enlighten me as to who you propose taking over?

I'm not sure anyone would rush to accept what is clearly a thankless task!

At the very least attend the Annual Meeting!

This is the most relevant post in the whole thread.

I don't like hearing us crying poor all the time, but given this mornings news, it seems it wasn't just a scare tactic afterall.

If someone thinks they can do a better job lets see them put their hand up.

I don't have a problem with asking for the first $1m. We're only taking back what we were fined.

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True Synbad but Matthews had a talented bunch of young kids built up through years on the bottom and no club exposure until they started to win and play finals regularly.

As i thought Caro was read the letter as all members did:

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 60641.html

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A sombering morning for Carlton fans. What we had tried to stave off is now front page news. Guess we've got a few more years of struggling along, and perhaps a few more false dawns in between, as that happens when you're bouncing on the bottom. But that's what we have to do. There is nothing else to do - you can't abandon your Club now, just because we've shot ourselves in the foot, leg and torso a few years ago. Sounds like i'm going to have to convince my wife to become a member as well ?

The road to recovery hit a huge pothole because of some poor games / returns in 2005, which looks like it translating to 2006 member levels. Of course its more complicated than that but it is important to remember that we are not at the bottom of the curve anymore.

Preacher, my comments are more at how the negative news of the club's finances seems to outweigh the great stories we have on the list. Where is Collo / Malouf / anyone talking up the list? Does that get reported? Where are the 'Kouta interviewing Setanta' mpg grabs on the website? theres alot we can do but the marketing budget appears spent already (agree entirely with your point) and the message isn't getting out. The Club has to find a way to convince last year's 20,000 members who haven't signed up to do so.

As for that post Laguna, the fact you have a club at all is thanks to this adminstration. Technically bankrupt and with no draft picks for 2 years - what else did youw ant? We all knew it was going to take a long time to restore the Club, and we're still there and our list is better than any we have had over the past few years. No doubt. My gripes are some finer points of this administration and the seeming lack of good marketing management outside of a couple of guys in Communications. We have some good news coming through but we have to find a way to enthues the fans about this or we may only hit 25000 members and need another AFL handout...

ps as for timing of the request, cashflow shortages are cashflow shortages. The Club didnt need the cash supposedly in 2003, but need it now. it's not like the club could have asked for it and kept it in the bank for a couple of years.

The whole situation is very depressing! I feel as flat as a tack. But just look at it this way, we are getting our money back plus interest for a fine we paid for breaching a set of rules that are in themselves in breach of the TPA.

So many mistakes, so much misplaced arrogance. Even though I cant afford it, I might have to get the wife (who hates all sport with a passion!) a membership. She's gonna kick my arse...

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C'mon Blueboys!

Dont be mistaken Preacher.
Collo and Malouf have said it to my face.
Malouf told me last year the club will be cash neutral by 2007.

Perhaps it is you who is gullible to suggest we all gain our information from the media.
Or perhaps you are correct and I am gullible. Perhaps the members, sponsors and supporters have all been fed a load of misinformation.

Which is true? The story the members have been fed or the wishy washy view you're selling us. 3 year plans....4 year plans....which is it?




Good comeback Preacher. You dont like Collo's style, go support the saints.
Thats taking us back to Elliotts day.
You dont like our way of operating, piss off.
No questions. No expectations.

Are you a board member or paid employee of the club Preacher?

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Can we please move away from this pointless debate on whether the current board is right for the job or not! It really is a futile discussion as it will not alter the circumstances our club finds itself in one iota. It is pointless because:

- We have no alternatives on offer or to vote for
- It will not change our plight one bit in the short term. We will still need to ask for a handout
- It is not their sole fault for the plight we are in

I hold the opinion that they may have been more successful in their efforts, but I can appreciate the parlous circumstances that confronted them when they arrived at PP. And having listened to the still demented John Elliot on SEN this morning (always up for an interview when thing are going shithouse at Carlton) you realise just why our club has become a pseudo Fitzroy. I think the only thing we can rely on now is that our on-field performances turn around substantially. We need to see some on-field results to get our supporters excited again about our club. This will in turn get sponsors and corporates excited.

As voting members, we get our say on who gets to represent our club at board level. Whilst there are no alternate candidates, it is pointless saying so and so is better than what's his name!

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C'mon Blueboys!

Why is it a pointless debate?
We have lost 2 board members in the past 12 months. Who has replaced them?
Just because you and I dont personally know excellent candidates doesnt mean they dont exist.
Do you personally know anyone on Collingwood or Essendons boards?

We need to inject new and innovative blood.
I'm happy for Collo to remain but we need fresh ideas. Someone with a marketing background.
Someone young and with modern ideas.
Someone who can present a positive view of the Carlton brand to the media and potential partners.
Instead Collo wants to scale down the board and leave it to the same old souls.
You cant get quality candidates if you dont look.

If other clubs can get suitable people, why cant Carlton.

If we dont aim high Marciblue, we'll stay in the shit forever.

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BV, this "new blood" isn't exactly beating down the door to get into the joint. Sure fresh ideas are needed, and perhaps some strong, young appointments made to the board but that just doesn't suddenly materialise simply because their is a news leak for AFL funding.

This goes beyond board level. This has to do with every aspect of the club - both on and off field. We have been wallowing for 4 years (1 under JE, 3 under Collo). We have had to sustain a disproportionate time at the bottom of the pile because of the AFL penalties and not being able to improve our player stocks. This has coincided with some monumental decisions regarding home ground relocation, debt write-off and poor financial performance. Our supporters are losing interest and enthusiasm for the club. It is a cycle of decay that is getting bigger every year.

AFAIC, we need to get competitive again on the field to get our supporters feeling proud of our club once more

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C'mon Blueboys!

What's the go with Daniel Grollo at the moment?

Is he still in the running to take over from Collo?

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Every time I think we've hit rock bottom I find out that it is just another deceiving slippery ledge on the way down!!

take the $$ I say, rather take the money than not have a club to support. The problem will be that the fortress mentality that brings in all of those memberships will only last for so long!! Football clubs sell hope and dreams to supporters. Kind of hard to compete for members when your competitors are selling dreams and you are selling nightmares.

Good if we have staid, rational conservative guys running the club, no problem with that, but I kind of worry sometimes that we are sitting on the bridge of the titanic busily balancing the petty cash budget!

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It's about approach.
I just listened to Swan McKay on SEN talking to KB.

He succincted the current situation beautifully.
The Blues are getting their heads above water financially but they need some cash to help them operate in the short term.

He mentioned Murphy, Kennedy, Bower, Edwards, Russell, Hartlett, Walker, Betts, Fisher, Waite, Bryan, Blackwell, Bentick.
He pushed the future.
He was positive.
He talked about a bright future and impending success.

That's what supporters and corporate partners want.

On field success is crucial but people will follow hopes of a future.
You just need to sell it to them.

Unfortunately the person who today gave me more inspiration than I've recieved anywhere from the club is no longer involved.

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We dont neccesarily need someone to take over.
Just someone who can present a positive facade for the club.
Collo is a good man, he needs to be surrounded by some fresh ideas and better resources.
It cant all be done his way.
We need options and a willingness to accept change.

We should be viewed as a proactive, innovative club going places.

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