Where's the 'put hands in the air' emoticon?

Anyone know why Swan McKay left the board?

Also agree with a number of previous posters. I think if Elliott had stayed another year or two there would have been no club. We all bear some responsibility for being too complacent and not bringing him to account earlier. Lucky we were spooners in 02 and not mid ladder or we might not have got rid of him.

We need some innovative fresh blood added to the board (and the coaching panel). But we have massive debt and a shocking team which means we don't have a lot of dough for marketing and nothing much to market. A lot of our future will be dictated by how well we go in the short term. If we get moving on field we will start to balance the books.

I think Collo has great strengths as does Dennis. But we need people around them who complement their skills and are strong where they are not so strong.

There is hope, we've had 4 of the worst years any club has had. It's all up from here.

Agree with Dom...where are the messiahs waiting to lead us from the wilderness....whats wrong with taking the money from the AFL anyway?.
Forget this we are Carlton we dont do this thing stuff...who cares what anyone else thinks....use the money and fix some of the problems..no shame at all...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen

Would be interesting to hear the views of Sedat and the Demons supporter who is a regular poster but whose name escapes me as to how they felt when they heard their club was asking for AFL assistance. Admittedly, the Bulldogs have never been a huge force in AFL/VFL, but the Demons were the most successful club in terms of flags until the Blues and Bombers knocked them off, so their position is not dissimilar to ours.

My best mate is a Kangaroos supporter and i dont think getting a handout ever bothered him

Selling your standards down the shitter!!!

I do feel shame. Just like in every day life our standards are slipping away.

My club is a @#$%&! rabble! How depressing.

Yes I’ll keep financially supporting…god knows why…but I will.

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There's so much I could say...

They are not a rabble at all. They are just acknowledging that they need some cash flow in the short term and using what is at their disposal. Who cares, take the money and run I say. The AFL imposed that ridiculous fine with the salary cap breaches so that didnt help.

The club will get back on its feet financially and with on field success will come the sponsors.

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I stole Sheedy's Gatorade...

not entirely on topic but ...

I wonder if the talk of trading our most marketable commodity in Fevola, and then him not being able to do a full pre-season may have had any effect on memberships... and yet the club still want him to change his persona and become one of the many robots that run around the AFL ... if there is no place for personality, then you can't complain when there is a decrease in marketability ...

Its all fine to take the money but why wasn't it done earlier? Wasn't Malouf saying not that long ago we wouldn't need the assistance?
From the outside it looks like they have stuffed up. We should of took the money earlier when we were really struggling.
This shouldn't be happening when we seem to have finally gotten some real hope and excitement for the future, with our new recruits.
Its a major stuff up by the board. Someone or some people should be held responsible. I fully appreciate what Collins and Co have been trying to do. It is a thankless job but that doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be held responsible. How can the club be expected to get to 30,000 members with this news.
The club really does need some fresh positive spinning people as the face of the club. Let Collins help work at the back if needed but not as the face of the club. When was the last time he portrayed the club in positive light?

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... php?t=5410

i'm with you CarltonComeback. This decision has been obvious for 2 years. I feel no shame in taking the dough. I hope in 5-10 years, we'll all be talking about how finacially strong the club is but atm its not. If the money's on offer, take it.

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If thats the case then what would be membership figures be like if Fev had been traded?
Talking to a few Blues supporters at work and they are hanging off buying memberships until they see some improvement on the park..
I think beating Geelong and staying in the NAB cup is very important....maybe the negative vibes from the club are starting to impact on the grass roots members especially the swinging member who only signs up when he see some positives...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
training partner."
- Conor Gillen

What's the big deal? A couple of years ago we gave the AFL $930,000. Now they're giving it back.

As for people who don't buy memberships, one of the few highlights of the last couple of years is the way Carlton supporters have stuck by the club and given us record membership tallies even in our worst ever seasons. Jump off now and we really have become like Richmond or the Saints.

If you really want to help your club, buy a membership. If you want to really kick it in the nuts while it's down, don't.

I am ok with asking for assistance - as long as the AFL treats us with respect and doesn't stuff the club around.

They have got to think what Carlton means to them LONG TERM and forget about recent history. Carlton is still an important brand - and if they don't support this brand the game itself is in trouble.

No problem with that. The AFL is a fully professional organisation with the highest standards of propriety and fairness.....................HaHaHaHa. Sorry I couldn't keep a straight face anymore

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IMO Carlton are not all that important to the AFL. The AFL wouldn't let us go extinct but I'm sure they wouldn't mind relocating a couple of Melbourne based clubs. The club in its current financial situation is almost powerless against the AFL and if we don't get on our own two feet we will always have our terms dictated to us by the AFL.

BUY YOUR MEMBERSHIPS!!

How can you not buy a membership with the array of "TALENT" we have this season. Murphy, Kennedy, Bower, Hartlett, Blackwell, Simpson, Bentick, Waite, Walker, Fisher, Betts, missing someone ....... Russell, Edwards, Raso, Jackson, Smith, the Irishman.

I bought a membership this season for that reason alone, I'm in it to watch our future develop. How great is it watching a group of youngsters grow together and take those steps to immortality. Bulldogs fans are loving it, St Kilda have been there, the Hawks are going through the process.

The best thing about kids is the footy is new and exciting as you just don't know how they are going to turn out, kids bring enthusiasm to the contest, they are out to make a name for themselves, they bring an exubernace (haven;t got a dictionary handy) that rubs off on the veterans.

Tell your friends Elwood that is what they will miss, the emergence of our future.

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

So this is the culture change we all wanted .

Rich - Powerful - successful - highly paid big named players

To

Broke- poor - begging - losing all the time


Pagan must feel right at home


I wonder come round 7 this year will the club adopt another plan becuase the tanking theory has cost us dearly

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

I have no problem with taking the money at all. After all, we just paid out almost 1 million on salary cap fines, just getting our money back as far as I'm concerned. I don't subscribe to the whole pride thing. If we don't take the money we'll have nothing to feel proud about in 10-20 years time as we probably won't be around.

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Witty signature required.

I was going to keep away today, but alas Sydney your wisdom has once again bought me to the for. Sad day this.

A covering story from Greg Denham of the Australian.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co ... 35,00.html

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No ones listening till you make a mistake.

And it can pretty much all be traced back to the ridiculous sum of money we poured down the drain that is the Legends Stand.