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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:28 am 
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As for trade - given away too much in the Charlie trade

Swans needed our picks #31 and #42 this year to obtain their academy prospect Max King. I very much doubt they would have done the trade otherwise. This was effectively compensated for by obtaining the Swans 2027 1st rounder for our 2nd rounder. This is the best trade we could have realistically expected for Charlie based on his age and injury history.


Can’t agree. If Sydney needed picks for there Acadamy prospects and wanted Charlie, they should have traded other players for the additional picks! We have for Dean and Walker and now still being balckmailed to give up more.
But we are always anticipated to play nice, because we aren’t very good at this game. Others aren’t and IMO, Charlie was worth more and will catapult them into premiership contention.

The Hawthorn pick change at the end, was us again playing nice to assist Hawthorn. I’ve actually lost how many times we have helped them?

That’s my 2 cents and I’m sure the club apologists will be replying, but don’t expect me to get into anymore ongoing debates. From now on, I’ll raise my thoughts and let it be there. Life is too short.


No doubt Hawks owe us. The trade was to help Hawks get Merrett. Didnt happen, but they owe us twice now.

Imagine if Dean's name isnt called up by pick 9, with Hawks having the pick before our pick 11. What happens then? I don't think Hawks will bid for Dean.

Surely we can't blow both picks 9 and 11 on other players and not invest in Dean. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:42 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
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SurreyBlue wrote:

As for trade - given away too much in the Charlie trade

Swans needed our picks #31 and #42 this year to obtain their academy prospect Max King. I very much doubt they would have done the trade otherwise. This was effectively compensated for by obtaining the Swans 2027 1st rounder for our 2nd rounder. This is the best trade we could have realistically expected for Charlie based on his age and injury history.


Can’t agree. If Sydney needed picks for there Acadamy prospects and wanted Charlie, they should have traded other players for the additional picks! We have for Dean and Walker and now still being balckmailed to give up more.
But we are always anticipated to play nice, because we aren’t very good at this game. Others aren’t and IMO, Charlie was worth more and will catapult them into premiership contention.

The Hawthorn pick change at the end, was us again playing nice to assist Hawthorn. I’ve actually lost how many times we have helped them?

That’s my 2 cents and I’m sure the club apologists will be replying, but don’t expect me to get into anymore ongoing debates. From now on, I’ll raise my thoughts and let it be there. Life is too short.


No doubt Hawks owe us. The trade was to help Hawks get Merrett. Didnt happen, but they owe us twice now.

Imagine if Dean's name isnt called up by pick 9, with Hawks having the pick before our pick 11. What happens then? I don't think Hawks will bid for Dean.

Surely we can't blow both picks 9 and 11 on other players and not invest in Dean. :lol:


One of those will go towards Dean. I’d doubt it but it would be nice if it was 11.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 3:51 pm 
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Perfect from here on out would be:

1. See off the bid on Annable, Uwland & Peterson
2. Trade pick #9 to one of West Coast (#s 13 & 34) or Adelaide (#s 16, 48 & 55), with a priority on points in this draft. West Coast are front runners because their bids will determine the value of those later picks. If they go early, Gold Coast or Brisbane will have to find a deal with Essendon* or North for their picks in the 20s.
3. Match the bid on Dean
4. Draft Cameron Nairn
5. Match the bid on Ison
6. Trade the surplus points to Gold Coast for 2026 assets
7. Add at least one utility big in the SSP, two if O’Farrell goes on LTI


I think we’ve been just fair, maybe a bit better, so far. Definitely not a failure, but not something to crack a fat over.

Curnow & Hayward - square… we lost more than Sydney. We’ll have to work for the win.
Silvagni - win
De Koning - square… there was a Curnow-sized bounty on him two years ago.
Reidy - win
Florent - win
Chesser - win
Durdin & Ainsworth - square… I like what we’ve got & think the price was fair. Happy that it’s a good deal for Durdin, but I think he’ll really kick on at Port.
Binns & Hollands - win
Cincotta - loss… in fairness, he might be busted.
White & Fantasia - square… spent big money to fill their spots.
Lemmey - loss… we’re still looking for his replacement.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 7:30 pm 
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Trade period
I'm happy with what we did. I’m not devastated to lose Charlie. TDK is a loss but it would have been worse if we’d kept him on anything more than $1m (and even then…). JSOS is neither here nor there. If we traded him a year ago, we would have been lucky to get a 3rd or 4th round pick in return. I loved his manic attack on the field but if he wasn’t feeling it, I don’t think he would have given quite as much. And we entered the trade period without the assets required to replenish, top-up or even be sure we could secure Dean and Cody. We came away with a strong hand now and into the future.

Draft
1) Get Dean
2) Secure what we need for Cody
3) Get capital to secure Butters or Humphrey next year
4) Get Ison and/or a top 20 (imo Lindsay, Schubert, Dovaston, or one of the highly touted top 10 mids if they slide)

FWIW, I don’t put much stock in any pick after 30 in this year’s draft (apart from Ison if he slides). I’d trade any surplus trades we are allowed to for the following year when we can use for points to strengthen our hand at the top end in 2026.

Dilemma 1
Is there a scenario where we are basically choosing to prioritise Ison ahead of that potential pick 15-20?
If so, are we confident that Ison is the better choice?
For example, isn’t that effectively the play if we decide to trade out pick 9?

Dilemma 2
Top 20 pick this year vs top 20 pick next year?
I feel like the additional pick next year will be required if we are seriously contemplating a trade for Butters or Humphrey.
Or, if we believe that next year’s top 20 pick will be significantly better than this year?
In this scenario, I’m happy giving up a Dovaston if we’re making a play for, say, Humphrey (who I think is more likely than Butters).
As it stands, I don’t think next year’s draft capital is sufficient although I suspect we will trade out of the 2027 first round to bump up our options for next year’s draft.
I assume we will need 5 first round picks next year to get Cody and Butters, which doesn’t leave much for another player from next year’s supposedly strong draft.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 11:34 pm 
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I feel like the Florent trade, even though it was technically seperate to the Curnow trade, was built into it.

We got Florent for unders IMO so if you combine him into the Curnow trade I think we came out ok.

That said, I got pretty ahead of things in trade week & wanted Gulden & the opera house :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 6:07 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
I assume we will need 5 first round picks next year to get Cody and Butters, which doesn’t leave much for another player from next year’s supposedly strong draft.


I thought Butters was a free agent next year, so we'd just need salary cap space not picks?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 6:11 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I feel like the Florent trade, even though it was technically seperate to the Curnow trade, was built into it.

We got Florent for unders IMO so if you combine him into the Curnow trade I think we came out ok.

That said, I got pretty ahead of things in trade week & wanted Gulden & the opera house :lol:


In my daydreams Curnow, struggling for fitness and pining for Geelong, is a total spud for Sydney and they are a bottom 8 club for the next couple of years, which makes it a winning trade for us.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 7:08 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
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I assume we will need 5 first round picks next year to get Cody and Butters, which doesn’t leave much for another player from next year’s supposedly strong draft.


I thought Butters was a free agent next year, so we'd just need salary cap space not picks?


My understanding is he will be a restricted free agent and Port will undoubtedly (posture as though they will) match any offer. Therefore, I think it will come down to a trade. Or a ridiculously high front ended contract which I would be against doing for a number of reasons.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 9:21 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
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I assume we will need 5 first round picks next year to get Cody and Butters, which doesn’t leave much for another player from next year’s supposedly strong draft.


I thought Butters was a free agent next year, so we'd just need salary cap space not picks?


My understanding is he will be a restricted free agent and Port will undoubtedly (posture as though they will) match any offer. Therefore, I think it will come down to a trade. Or a ridiculously high front ended contract which I would be against doing for a number of reasons.


:thumbsup: They will force a trade.

Not sure they would match a $1.7M offer though. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 12:04 pm 
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Not sure they would match a $1.7M offer though. :wink:



So he's headed for Moorabbin then? :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 12:31 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
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I feel like the Florent trade, even though it was technically seperate to the Curnow trade, was built into it.

We got Florent for unders IMO so if you combine him into the Curnow trade I think we came out ok.

That said, I got pretty ahead of things in trade week & wanted Gulden & the opera house :lol:


In my daydreams Curnow, struggling for fitness and pining for Geelong, is a total spud for Sydney and they are a bottom 8 club for the next couple of years, which makes it a winning trade for us.


Might be wishful thinking on your part GX but I reckon that's exactly how its gonna pan out . Charlies heart isn't in Sydney and we know how things pan out for Charlie when his heart isn't in something .

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 12:58 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I feel like the Florent trade, even though it was technically seperate to the Curnow trade, was built into it.

We got Florent for unders IMO so if you combine him into the Curnow trade I think we came out ok.

That said, I got pretty ahead of things in trade week & wanted Gulden & the opera house :lol:


In my daydreams Curnow, struggling for fitness and pining for Geelong, is a total spud for Sydney and they are a bottom 8 club for the next couple of years, which makes it a winning trade for us.


Might be wishful thinking on your part GX but I reckon that's exactly how its gonna pan out . Charlies heart isn't in Sydney and we know how things pan out for Charlie when his heart isn't in something .


Charlie will spend 1-2 seasons pouting in the SCG goal square, then Geelong will pick him up for a third rounder once the Swans are truly sick of him.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 1:12 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I feel like the Florent trade, even though it was technically seperate to the Curnow trade, was built into it.

We got Florent for unders IMO so if you combine him into the Curnow trade I think we came out ok.

That said, I got pretty ahead of things in trade week & wanted Gulden & the opera house :lol:


In my daydreams Curnow, struggling for fitness and pining for Geelong, is a total spud for Sydney and they are a bottom 8 club for the next couple of years, which makes it a winning trade for us.


Might be wishful thinking on your part GX but I reckon that's exactly how its gonna pan out . Charlies heart isn't in Sydney and we know how things pan out for Charlie when his heart isn't in something .


Charlie and a few of the Bloods looking really happy sipping coffee in the sunshine at Bondi today. The sunshine would make him feel like...he's a on a surf trip.

I hope he stays relaxed on and off the field.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 9:48 pm 
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Really pleased with what we did in both trade and draft period as a whole especially where we faced some real obstacles Charlie wanting to leave
TDK and JSOS leaving for ridiculous offers
AFL Changing draft rules in 2025 where it was much more difficult to get access to our f/s pick and West Coast trying to be relevant by making stupid bids which in some cases inimical to their interests

AFL trying to make it more difficult for us to get Cody Walker than any other f/s in the history of the draft

Draft terrific job got Dean despite WC bid at 3 obtained 2 2026 second rounders and a 2026 third rounder as well as highly rated NGA prospect in ISON and another player in Byrne ( must admit I wanted a KPF for this pick but obviously they know more than me )

No doubt in analysing our draft haul the press in the next few days will say others were winners out of the draft

Given the circumstances our team on list management did a great job


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 10:32 am 
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I suspect we now value a mobile and agile fwd line over having key forwards. If the mids can get and deliver it that's all we need.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:00 am 
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In: Hayward, Florent, Ainsworth, Reidy, Chesser, Dean, Byrne, Ison

Out: Curnow, Silvagni, De Koning, Docherty, E.Hollands, Binns, Durdin, Fantasia, Cincotta, Lemmey, White

I suppose that’s ok?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 12:06 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
In: Hayward, Florent, Ainsworth, Reidy, Chesser, Dean, Byrne, Ison

Out: Curnow, Silvagni, De Koning, Docherty, E.Hollands, Binns, Durdin, Fantasia, Cincotta, Lemmey, White

I suppose that’s ok?



GREAT TRADE/ DRAFT PERIOD.

Got rid of disruptive selfish types Curnow, SOS, Hollands.
Created $3.5M SC space from TDK, Curnow Docherty, Silvagni and ridding ourselves of an expensive trigger for Gov.
Got rid of perennially injured players Curnow, Silvagni, Docherty, Durdin and Fantasia
Only player I will miss is TDK, but I didnt want us paying $1M for him, so even that was a double win.
Loaded up draft picks and cap space for 2026 aquisitions: Walker and a BIG FISH.

We had 46 on our list, so 2 had to go. Lets say rookies White and Cincotta had to go

We still have one more pick to get us that desired CHB, and HOF on a LTI should snag us another very good player.

Red = winner

Charlie = Dean
Silvagni = SSP / Philips
DeKoning = Reidy
Hollands = Hayward
Docherty = Florent
Durdin = Ainsworth
Binns = Chesser
Lemmey = O'Keefe (promoted)
Fantasia = Byrne

Plus Ison, 2026 F1, F2, F2, F3 and 2027 F1 AND knowing we have an LTI for HOF up our sleeve

Defionetely a better team in terms of speed and skill with the changes, but Its the last line where we should see the cream on top from this draft/ trade period. :clap:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 1:44 pm 
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Where do we think Jack Ison will start off playing? And long term. Forward or mid?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 2:46 pm 
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Frank Carspew wrote:
Really pleased with what we did in both trade and draft period as a whole especially where we faced some real obstacles Charlie wanting to leave
TDK and JSOS leaving for ridiculous offers
AFL Changing draft rules in 2025 where it was much more difficult to get access to our f/s pick and West Coast trying to be relevant by making stupid bids which in some cases inimical to their interests

Given the circumstances our team on list management did a great job

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I'm also pleased, actually have been the past 2 years - I feel like we are finally getting a balance where our older players are mainly our best 22 and the kids have a year or 2 to develop in the Reserves. I think we now have campo twins. seeing games this year, Bryne and Ison develop - I expect Jagga and Dean to see games sooner rather than later but mostly our kids are finally getting time to develop - not like it has been where the kids are tossed in to the deep end and struggle their entire careers.

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