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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 11:53 am 
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we usually select three or even four smalls even if one is playing off the bench. Foggerty, Motlop, Durdin all played together a lot throw Fantasia and Owies in the mix for mids who play small. Williams can tackle etc but more of a medium tall and mid than a small i think. How you fit Haywood and Ainsworth in i’ll leave to the MC for round zero (geez the round zero concept is one of the more egregious conceits coming out of AFL House in the last few decades and that is saying something).

Motlop seems to please the MC so i can’t see him missing out a lot but it’s great to have selection dilemmas with AFL players hitting good form in the VFL.


With regards to your last line, I don't think we recruited Byrne because the MC are pleased with Motlop, and White and Fogarty. Motlop was accredited and selected for doing a lot of selfless running in Vossy's 2025 Game plan. As did Fogarty, as did Durdin.

I think our new HHF Ainsworth will be playing that HHF role, for longer, with better footy IQ and a knack of winning his own ball than Motlop, Fogarty, and White. I think Evans will be first drop IF he isnt in the team. Fogarty wont play much in his final contract year. I think Evans ill stay ahead of Motlop.

We played 4-5 small forwards (Williams No 1, Fogarty (defensive staple), Motlop, White, Fantasia or Evans when we didnt have much choice, because we had too many forwards out injured: medium size Cottrell, Hollands., who would be auto selections, as would smallE, Smith, let alone marking targets missing like Kemp, McKay or O'Keefe, all missing against Pies game, for example. I don't know anyone who thought our 3-4 smalls were a successful combo. Was selected out of desperation and lack of choice imo. Injury really hurt us in 2025, and 2024, and early 2023, and late 2022.

As for Motlop's cameos in the midfield mix, I think they were just that: cameo. He may have had a ball bounce his way and off he went, which looked good, once or twice, but he can't win his own ball, not break tackles, nor has any tricks, like a side step. He needs to improve a lot to avoid the inevitable delisting end of 2027....imo

Williams, Ainsworth, Evans, in that order, and I expect Byrne will "earn" an opportunity to show his class and bag of tricks in 2026 too. Good luck to Motlop, and other than his 2 goals in the win against Demons in that Final, Ive haven't seen enough to be convinced he's AFL quality.

Lets not forget our injury list last year, and the fact we couldn't find a home for him...and the fact we ADDED a class small forward to the plethora of smalls on our list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 12:01 pm 
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Love the self belief but it'd be a bad move to put Dean on Curnow, let the boys who know his game inside out put him on the back foot and hopefully set the tone for his Swans career and our future firsts


Absolutely

Dean acknowledges he lacks speed and strength to go against Curnow, so why would anyone put Dean on him in OR? Madness.

Weiters straight to Curnow. If Curnow chooses to be a statue KPF, all the better for Weiters. If Curnow gets on his bilke and leads more than ever, Hansen has to come up with something to avert the danger.

I think Dean is too young and undeveloped to play on 5 preseason player Logan McDonald, or Amartey and it would be Lewis Young and Hayes who will take them on.

Lets hope this next preseason sees Deano put on strength and size like never before and he's ready to take on maybe Amartey.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Love the self belief but it'd be a bad move to put Dean on Curnow, let the boys who know his game inside out put him on the back foot and hopefully set the tone for his Swans career and our future firsts


Absolutely

Dean acknowledges he lacks speed and strength to go against Curnow, so why would anyone put Dean on him in OR? Madness.

Weiters straight to Curnow. If Curnow chooses to be a statue KPF, all the better for Weiters. If Curnow gets on his bilke and leads more than ever, Hansen has to come up with something to avert the danger.

I think Dean is too young and undeveloped to play on 5 preseason player Logan McDonald, or Amartey and it would be Lewis Young and Hayes who will take them on.

Lets hope this next preseason sees Deano put on strength and size like never before and he's ready to take on maybe Amartey.



If our coaches slaughter Harry Dean, like they slaughtered Matthew Watson it will be a travesty.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2025 9:49 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Love the self belief but it'd be a bad move to put Dean on Curnow, let the boys who know his game inside out put him on the back foot and hopefully set the tone for his Swans career and our future firsts


Absolutely

Dean acknowledges he lacks speed and strength to go against Curnow, so why would anyone put Dean on him in OR? Madness.

Weiters straight to Curnow. If Curnow chooses to be a statue KPF, all the better for Weiters. If Curnow gets on his bilke and leads more than ever, Hansen has to come up with something to avert the danger.

I think Dean is too young and undeveloped to play on 5 preseason player Logan McDonald, or Amartey and it would be Lewis Young and Hayes who will take them on.

Lets hope this next preseason sees Deano put on strength and size like never before and he's ready to take on maybe Amartey.




If our coaches slaughter Harry Dean, like they slaughtered Matthew Watson it will be a travesty.


Agree. Lets hope developing Dean is our priority this year.

He will get his chances to develop against younger KPFs in bottom 7 teams, and later in season maybe he finds his feet, mojo and blitzes.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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I think Harry Dean is a different beast to Matthew Watson.
I feel like he will approach anything blocking his direct pathway to success in a similar way to how Lockett approached Peter Craven…


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:37 pm 
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Let's not start comparing Watson with Dean. Watson was a perfectly decent footballer, but he was born ten years too late.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Kicked 4 goals in his last game
Would have been a whole lot better if developed and nurtured correctly


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Frank Carspew wrote:
Kicked 4 goals in his last game
Would have been a whole lot better if developed and nurtured correctly


Yes Watson and Mitchell I had high hopes for . Just didn't happen for either of them .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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bluechampion wrote:
Let's not start comparing Watson with Dean. Watson was a perfectly decent footballer, but he was born ten years too late.


Exactly. I always had a soft spot for Watto. Such a booming kick, good skills and tried hard but by God, he was the least naturally athletic player I've seen in my lifetime. I, too, remember thinking it's a shame he didn't come up in the 80s when you could get away with being a bit slow because your opponent might have had a pie and half a dozen smokes before the game.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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The real concern is whether Harry has a large enough head.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:58 am 
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Seems like so long ago but a few good players from deep-ish in that draft still going or just retired… not least of which is Jack Darling (Pick 26), Cam Guthrie (23), Jeremy Howe (33), Luke Parker (40)…


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2025 9:29 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Let's not start comparing Watson with Dean. Watson was a perfectly decent footballer, but he was born ten years too late.


Exactly. I always had a soft spot for Watto. Such a booming kick, good skills and tried hard but by God, he was the least naturally athletic player I've seen in my lifetime. I, too, remember thinking it's a shame he didn't come up in the 80s when you could get away with being a bit slow because your opponent might have had a pie and half a dozen smokes before the game.


:lol: When the boys light up.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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17th Premiership wrote:
Seems like so long ago but a few good players from deep-ish in that draft still going or just retired… not least of which is Jack Darling (Pick 26), Cam Guthrie (23), Jeremy Howe (33), Luke Parker (40)…


In reflection, sickening.

Someone pointed a bone at someone Carlton.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2025 9:41 am 
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RE Train on players

I was just told that for each vacant list spot we can have a minimum 2 an a maximum 6 players invited to train on for each spot, and are paid to train. Listed players and VFL players are allowed to train with club, so are not counted as invitees. Philips and Paea, and possibly Walley will be or are signed on as 2026 Carlton VFL players.

Could be wrong. Crusader posted recently only 2 players per spot. Makes sense given we have 2 non listed VFL players training: Elijah and White. But if Walley isnt signing on as a VFL player, maybe more than 2 are allowed as train ons.

One spot: 2 KPDs, 1 small forward and 2 medium forwards training. Talk about not focussing on need.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Also, sounds like HOF is travelling ahead of schedule with his ACL, and could be ready to play mid season.

I wonder if we would consider bringing him back midseason, or bring him on slowly through the VFL, and use his injury to obtain one more player.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Walley according to HS is joining vfl program but will train sometimes with senior group


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2025 10:28 am 
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Delisted duo Elijah Hollands and Will White will return to the Blues as they vie to win their spot back. White could become a two-time SSP pick-up after being added last pre-season, going on to play 14 games as a small forward in 2025. Hollands was delisted with a year to run on his contract. West Coast NGA graduate Wes Walley isn't an official train-on player, but has signed with the Blues' VFL program and is expected to spend some time with the senior squad.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-supplementary-selection-period-brodie-mclaughlin-to-train-with-hawthorn/news-story/9bb478932670a6cd999de68b54b6e93a

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Frank Carspew wrote:
Walley according to HS is joining vfl program but will train sometimes with senior group


:thumbsup: thanks frank

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Elijah is the best player out of all those by a country mile. Just whether he can keep his head on straight.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Elijah is the best player out of all those by a country mile. Just whether he can keep his head on straight.


100% we're a better football team with him in it but the question is are we a better club with him a part of it?

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