I think back to the early days of Jurgen Klopp's tenure at Liverpool FC. At one of his first press conferences, he said his first order of business was "to turn doubters into believers". Essentially throwing down the gauntlet to supporters to stop groaning and filling the stadium with anxious silence, and start roaring the team on with a sense of destiny. Not long afterwards, after Liverpool had scored late to draw at home vs West Bromwich Albion, a perennial yo-yo club, he took his players in front of the crowd, had them hold hands and salute the crowd for their belief and support. The press and rival fans all laughed at this German idiot - WBA is crap, scraping a draw at home is a poor result for a big club, what is he doing? I actually thought of that moment when we scraped home against Richmond, and Cripps and Voss were derided for seeming happy with the win. Well, that WBA result established a bond between manager, team and supporters that produced an amazing era for the club, full of trophies and magical nights. Perhaps Carlton fans would do well to look it up and think about what lessons we can learn. It's perhaps harder for an AFL coach to establish such a rapport, given the relative size of the arenas and the coach's place within it, and Voss is no Jurgen Klopp (but nor is any other AFL coach). It's hard to get an accurate read on AFL crowd vibes on TV, but everything I read here and hear on podcasts suggests we are transmitting doubt and anxiety. Perhaps it is time to radiate belief. You may say it's the team's job to make you believe first. But maybe you need to find that home draw against West Brom to get things going.

Pathetic display. This is who to blame...

Coach: Voss
Senior Players: Cripps, Weitering, McKay, McGovern, Walsh, Kemp, Pittonet, Williams, Hewitt, L. Young

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Haven't read through this thread. But for mine the first qtr they played as per Voss' instructions.
2nd qtr to the finish they sat back and got lazy.
It's that simple, these are supposed professional footballers on good coin who have become lazy.
Simple things like pick up an opponent go out the window. Stuff that would have been drummed into them as juniors.

I took one thing out of saturday's article on Wright, Voss is less of an issue. The issue is the LIST !
There would have been some on that list yesterday, early in the year or not, who would have had a line put through
their name.

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Interesting. I thought Walsh was excellent and busted a gut. I also thought McGovern had his best game for a long time.

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BV do you think Walshy busting a gut is why he can’t kick goals?

I agree. Walsh and McGovern were among our best. It's a low bar though.

At the end of the day it is the senior players as a collective that must stand up and get the job done. They are the leaders.

Both Walshy and McGovern had shots at goal in the second half that they should have kicked.

Where were Pittonet's 10 hit-outs and saving marks in the last quarter? Where was Cripps' 10 clearances? Where was Hewitt's 10 tackles? Where was McKay's 3 goals? None of them were desperate enough to win the game.

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walsh's disposal continues to set us back. no depth or accuracy to his kicking, so he has to bust a gut to be of any impact to the game.


the team as a whole does not put in. so stagnant, no one leads into space, no one, not one single player at the club is looking to utilise the stand rule. in 3 rounds i've seen sad try twice, to create run off a mark and get us going, and both times he as ignored.

in the 4th qtr yday when we needed run, ollie tried to run off hewett, who dismissed him and chose to kick backwards and across the field, than to push the ball upfield and take the game on

even when we kick 6-7-8 goals in a 1st qtr, we're not doing it with run. there is no dare.

it's statues staring into the cosmos, too afraid to move. it's hideous football tbh

Get home just after 5pm following an 8 hour drive returning from Adelaide after helping one fo the kids move, looking forward to maybe watching the game on delay to relax. Check the scores and Carlton are 5 points up in the last. Look at the quarter by quarter scores and see that Carlton have coughed up a 7 goal lead, got back to the main screen and Melbourne have hit the front. Put the phone away, get ready for dinner and pretend that football doesn't exist.

Groundhog day with this club.

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I’m think we may need a “line in the sand” Haw v Ess type of game.

Be constructive in your criticism, offer solutions.
And not for the last 20 years, for this year.

I just don’t think a centre bounce midfield of Cripps, Walsh and Hewett is going to do it in 2026. Cripps and Hewett are too slow and I’m not really sure what Walsh is there for. Hewett had a poor game, not sure if he’s playing through injury or needs a spell.
Would love to see:
-Walsh on one wing and Ollie Hollands on the other
-Kemp back to defence and Young to the forward line and relief ruck. Dean shows great signs but not sure he’s got the tank for a full game.
-Lord in at centre bounces, although Voss bizarrely decided he’s a winger and said this in a post match presser last year.
-us not field the tallest, slowest side we can and instead go with a smaller, more nimble team. The game is long past the contested mark style in the forward 50.

With Jagga, not sure if he’s getting some forward 50 time but could be good to rotate him between mid and forward.
We played Walsh as a permanent midfielder from age 18 or whatever and not sure that’s been great for his physical development.

Thanks BV for being the voice of reason.

Bagging the club we love is not helpful.

Sure we need to improve, and we can all see that needs to happen, but the media will do the job of heaping the pressure on the coach, the leaders and the executive, and ridicule our club for headlines because we deserve it.

I’m a paid up member, and I buy for more than just my family. I do it in support for my team. Thats why I can call myself a supporter. I find it absurd that people who call themselves supporters but have no skin in the club feel entitled to ridicule my club as they see fit.

It’s not the right way to show support. There’s better ways to demonstrate one’s disappointment than trying to kick the club when it’s down. Bad form imo.

I’m about to jump on the plane to have some fun OS, and won’t post for a few days, but I still have my clubs back, in a time of need. Keep up the good work, and your integrity intact.

Go Blues

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well said BB and BV

shit it hurts....thats for sure.....time to remain constructive

The only two genuine positives I can take out of the game are:

Smith kicked his first goal. Byrne looks a good footballer.

You have already used your protest vote by not buying a membership for unseen years.

Have you ever emailed the club in a civil manner?

What are you going to say on SEN today? What do you want to say that hasn’t been said by Snapper? What’s your solution? Does your solution differ to the majority?

Please try and show appreciation of supporters who support their team buying membership, attending games and wearing merchandise, come rain hail or sun. We are doing our best to show our support of our club. Opposition supporters appreciate our loyalty and honourable support for our club not only when it’s up, but when it’s down.

I had a long chat about footy and Carlton with my 18yo son who lives in Sydney. Was a level headed mature discussion of where we are at, and who we can’t rely on, and what we need to do to improve. Really enjoyable father son chat. Carlton brings us together in challenging times, and that’s what family does. Stick tohpgether and work on improvement. Hey, don’t get me wrong about the wins. They are what brings out the joy following our team.

Hang in there Dodo.

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Carlton have a mental problem. It's the Fitzroy syndrome where they believe any club can beat them, and every club is convinced they can beat Carlton.

Carlton are Fitzroy.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

I'd sacrifice one player if we're going to play Young.

Pick Boyd as his helper Shetland pony.

His job is every time young gets the ball, he runs by and takes the handball.

Young has no license to kick it. I think he's ok in the air. Boyd, you have one job... You are Lewis's feet.

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Congratulations CK95

How good do you think Kozzie would have been at Carlton?

Any player into shit club eventually = shit player.

We are a shit club.

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Congratulations CK95

i was at game yesterday with some mates. we are so bad. players play like it's under 15s. bang it long and don't work hard in defence. it's all individual football
walsh is a big offender sadly. is he told to do this?
how many players have really improved when they come to carlton?
how no one went to Pickett makes no sense. what am I missing?

In no universe we are Fitzroy . 2 men and a dog followed Fitzroy . We have a massive membership and a massive supporter base who have stuck with the Club despite us being crap for 25 years . The supporters of this Club are phenomenal .

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